CAP is supposed to be about integrity and respect! - Page 5




 
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July 12th, 2005  
C/2nd Lt Robot
 
 
Yes and no. Airman Duffy is the leader. Airman Duffy does not have to do the pushups, but should be willing to do them. It is desirable in a person when they do something they are not required to do. But they should not over step the bounderies. Yes PT is supposed to tough, but I say having to stay down for more than five seconds at a time is too much. Now about the extra PT thing, was it approved by one of the senior cadet officers like the C/DCC or C/CC?
July 12th, 2005  
CadetGirl605
 
 
It was outside of CAP we weren't signed in or in uniform...We had a choice if we wanted to go or not. And yes All senior members knew but none came only 5 cadets came...

No airman duffy is not the leader he just assumes he is. Our leader is really someone else but Airman Duffy tags along. Only because his brothers are gone because of bad grades in school does he do this. And he is sometimes in charge of the cadets but not all of the time. The senior members don't care what he does though.

We can do the push ups however we want for PT he only makes us stay down for almost 10 seconds when we do somethng wrong and gives us push ups...

Oh and I have decided to give up on my fight against Airman Duffy and work harder so I can get a higher rank than him. And i will no longer fight with my squadron even though i can't stand the senior members.
July 12th, 2005  
C/2nd Lt Robot
 
 
"he only makes us stay down for almost 10 seconds when we do somethng wrong and gives us push ups..." That's hazing bottom line. Good for you for giving up your fight. I would for a lot my fights but they're too much fun and I get a great kick out of it. Just remember, when you out rank Airman Duffy not to let it go to your head. Those below you can cover your butt or put a bullet in it.
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July 14th, 2005  
CAP_FOXTROTgrl6
 
he can only tell you to do push up during PT, and even then there is an extent. the only time you should EVER do extra push ups is when he is down on the ground with you doing them, whether its showing you how to properly do them, or sounding off with you. never during drill does he nor anyone else in CAP have the authorization nor right to tell anyone to drop down and do whatever or do anything like that. he tells you, you simply say no, he gets mad then you file a complaint against or, you have something called the cadet protection policy, as well as the code of conduct which all cover this, and will say taht he has no right doing what he is doing. this is the one time i will tell you and only time i will tell you, to disregard his commands and if he has a problem he can call me any time and ill talk to him on teh phone...i don't like when any cadet it treated like this, there is no need and no reason. I now the ny and new jersey wing commanders pretty well, if there is a problem i can promise you it will be taken care of.
July 15th, 2005  
CadetGirl605
 
 
ok thanks...

I'm geting promoted this week, but I have to figure out how to wear the *Class B's* I have and idea but its gonna take me awhile...lol
July 15th, 2005  
C/2nd Lt Robot
 
 
Try wearing them on your body. I hear that's where they go.
July 15th, 2005  
alliehz
 
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Originally Posted by CadetGirl605
ok thanks...

I'm geting promoted this week, but I have to figure out how to wear the *Class B's* I have and idea but its gonna take me awhile...lol
Theres no "class Bs" or "As" in CAP, thats a Army thing. We have service dress.
July 16th, 2005  
>*CrAzY*<
 
 
Ok...

And I'm really sorry if I'm missing the legitimacy of your post, I just got done with a major fall out on another site where someone basically... well it wasn't the squadron, it was them.

Ok, your squadron needs to be reported or something. I don't know how else to explain it. Tell a trusted SM, whether it be in your squadron or another local one. Keep it quiet - this isn't something that you want spreading everywhere - that creates huge problems. Just tell them that you are having problems with some things, and you would appreciate it if they would give you some assistance in making it stop.

CAP is there for you, you are not there for it. Ok, so that statement can be taken too far, but what I'm saying is, you are volunteering. There is no way they can make you stay. However, they can try to talk you into staying.

Airman Bagadonuts is the typical Airman that holds a position. I would have been the same way. I got Cadet Commander as a C/SrA, however, the situation was scary enough to humble me quite well. If Mr. Bagadonuts has been an Airman for 2 years, it sounds like a 2b is coming his way anyway.

Also, you can switch squadrons. You are a C/AB, and for that reason, it isn't really running away. You are in CAP to learn, and it is up to you to make sure that you are in an environment in which you can learn. When my cadets said they wanted to quit, I would personally talk to them to find out the exact reasons, and I would ask them how I hindered their experience in any way. Sometimes people just aren't meant for the program, sometimes it is the leadership.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken, you can refuse to do the push-ups. To order them is hazing, and you are supposed to follow only legitimate orders, which that is not. It is your job to prove to them that you are worth keeping around and the such.

However, no matter what you do, remember to remain professional. Don't get in anybody's face, don't make a scene, and don't take things too far. If you refuse to do push ups, don't scream back at anybody or anything, just raise your hand, and request to speak to them privately or something.




If it gets to bad, quit or switch. There are many good quality squadrons, and I would hate to think that someone so early in the program would jeopardize their chance to be great.

~Crazy
July 17th, 2005  
airmanpatroler
 
 
Yeah report your squadron and leave it thats what I can suggest.
July 18th, 2005  
CAP_FOXTROTgrl6
 
Reporting your squadron is always the first step. It isn't telling or being a wimp or being a bad cadet, you are be a positive leader and even stronger cadet. Standing up for yourself and other cadets is the first step in getting the problem(s) solved in this case duffy. Like I have said in teh past if you need any help with this just ask and I'm sure hat many cadets, including my self will help you in the best way that we can.

Good job on your promotion, staf positive and hold your head up.

Holding authority means being a leader. Your leader has failed, and due to this you have to be a strong follower and stand up against this. If he says do pushups, like crazy said, raise your hand and ask to speak freely and privately, if they say no then you just ask to speak. Which in this case just say I will not do push-ups due to the pertection policy, and code of conduct of CAP. That will pertect you from any other hazing he wishes to do to you or any of the other cadets. This shows him and the senior members that your not for this and that you ARE strong enough, and you will stand up against them.

Need any more help just ask, or IM me