Blurring Of U.S. Interrogation Policy Complicates Challenge

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Arizona Republic (Phoenix)
January 6, 2008
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By Dennis Wagner, Arizona Republic
FORT HUACHUCA - A squad of U.S. soldiers enters a small "Iraqi village" in the southern Arizona foothills, automatic weapons ready. Their eyes nervously scan the civilians in Middle Eastern garb, watching for enemy combatants.
Later, in a shack near the center of town, two interrogators question a bearded man caught with a video camera with footage of missile attacks launched by insurgents.
One of the soldiers peppers the captive with questions to no avail.
"Can I go?" the man finally asks in a thick Arabic accent. "Or actually, perhaps you can answer some questions for me?"
Asked about the images on the camera, he smiles. "It is happenstance, yes?" he says. "Coincidence."
The intelligence collectors press ahead with the give and take. They are in a mock village with paid actors - a field exercise at the Fort Huachuca Military Intelligence Center and School, the nation's largest center for interrogation training.
As in Iraq, there is no guarantee that the terrorist suspect will talk. But there is one certainty: No one here will contemplate using torture as an interrogation technique.
The Army, which runs Fort Huachuca, insists it will not tolerate abuse or coercion in interrogations and is instilling that philosophy in its trainees.
In exercises at Fort Huachuca, interrogators instead are taught "persuasive methods," such as psychological ploys and ruses to coax or pressure suspects into divulging information in the war on terror.
"You can torture someone all day long, and it's not a reliable way to get information," says Lt. Col. Jeff Jennings, commander of the 309th Military Intelligence Battalion. Torture often elicits bogus intelligence, he said.
Most experts seem aligned with the Army position, yet a national debate continues over the value of coercive questioning. In the presidential campaign, for example, Sen. John McCain, who was brutalized as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, condemns torture, including waterboarding, or simulated drowning, saying it produces false intelligence and sabotages America's stand for righteousness. By contrast, Rudy Giuliani refuses to label waterboarding as unlawful, saying: "It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it."
The challenge for hundreds of men and women at Fort Huachuca's HUMINT school is to navigate the gray area between torture and tough questioning.
Use of coercion
Interrogations are difficult in any war, but since 9/11, the challenge has been compounded by a blurring of U.S. law and policy covering detainee treatment. Public records describe how the Bush administration used new legal interpretations and executive orders to sanction increased levels of duress in seeking intelligence. In a few instances, the CIA even resorted to waterboarding, historically treated as a war crime by international law and the United States.
Public records and congressional testimony explain how America's embrace of coercive methods evolved: In 2002, President Bush relied on a Justice Department opinion to assert that Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan were not prisoners of war and had no right to Geneva Conventions protections. The government then adopted a secret memo from the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, which redefined torture as life-threatening pain equivalent to sensations of organ failure, impairment of bodily function or death. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized sleep deprivation, stress positions, dietary harassment, religious humiliation and the exploitation of phobias. Over time, public disclosures unveiled results of the new approach:
*Internet video revealed physical abuse and sexual humiliation of detainees at the Army's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in 2003. The abuse was attributed primarily to guards at the prison, military intelligence officers, CIA agents and civilian contractors. Guards appeared to take sadistic pleasure in pouring cold water on naked detainees, sexually taunting them and using military dogs to threaten attack.
*A federal rendition program shuttled detainees to hidden sites in Europe and the Middle East for intensive questioning at the hands of non-American inquisitors.
*Accounts of waterboarding emerged at the Guantanamo detainee camp in Cuba. The technique, which places a bound prisoner upside down in water, was employed by CIA agents who later destroyed the video evidence. U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey last week ordered a criminal investigation into the destruction of the tapes.
Despite the controversies, some experts insist that coercion should remain an option for interrogators as it could save American lives.
Retired CIA agent John Kiriakou claims that when interrogators at Guantanamo were unable to crack a key al-Qaida suspect, Abu Zubaydah, they finally resorted to waterboarding. Kiriakou said in interviews that Zubaydah broke down within 35 seconds, divulging information on "maybe dozens of attacks."
Because videotape was destroyed and records are classified, Kiriakou's claim cannot be verified.
Frank Gaffney Jr., director of the Center for Security Policy, says he has been told that two key al-Qaida figures gave up critical intelligence when confronted with so-called "enhanced interrogation." He argues that "aggressive" methods are "absolutely essential and should not be ruled out," adding: "War is an evil. . . . It requires us to do evil things."
At Fort Huachuca, Lt. Col. Jennings insists there is no uncertainty among his instructors and students: The Army does not condone torture or train its interrogators to use such practices.
A new Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation, written at Fort Huachuca, has passages designed to prevent a repeat of Abu Ghraib. Interrogation requires soldiers to abide by the Geneva Conventions, general laws of war, federal statutes and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, all of which prohibit torture. The manual expressly forbids waterboarding and many other coercive methods employed during the war on terror.
 
"There is no debate (in the military)," Jennings says. "If you don't follow the rules, or you step outside the rules, you get your toes cut off.
"Abu Ghraib was a lack of oversight. That was a leadership failure. And people have been punished for it."
The accepted methods
Fort Huachuca is where select soldiers learn the art and science of extracting information from enemies, a job that is more problematic amid the U.S. government's redefinition of torture in its global war on terror.
During 2007 at the Military Intelligence School, about 1,650 enlisted soldiers, National Guard members and Army Reservists were taught to become human-intelligence collectors, known as 97Es. That is more than five times the number trained in 2003. Hundreds more Navy and Air Force personnel completed similar courses in the fort's Human Intelligence Training program. The demand is so great in Iraq and Afghanistan that commanders have been forced to hire civilian contractors, mostly former military, as instructors.
The intelligence collectors go through a 93-day course that includes cultural awareness, warrior tasks, live-fire exercises and interrogation methods. There are 12 hours of class spent with lawyers covering legal and ethical lessons.
"We spend a lot of time in the classroom and then out here talking about where that line is - what coercion is, what torture is, what they can and cannot do," said Chief Warrant Officer 4 Daniel Moree, HUMINT training supervisor.
"Let's say he (a soldier) steps over that line and uses coercion. He'll be counseled on the spot," Moree says. "We'll treat it as a crime and even conduct a mock trial."
Trainees at Fort Huachuca learn 19 ways to exploit a captive's weaknesses during interrogations. They offer incentives such as money or family contact. They play on emotions of hate, pride, fear and love. They use the silent treatment, deceptive ruses, rapid-fire questions and the old "good cop, bad cop" technique.
The accepted methods are all geared to gain intelligence through cooperation rather than coercion.
Moree says field exercises help soldiers learn to deal with stress, and they are taught to ask senior interrogators if an interrogation method seems questionable.
Christopher M. Anderson, now a civilian instructor at the fort, served as the non-commissioned officer in charge of questioning at Abu Ghraib during 2005-06, supervising a team of 80 interrogators and analysts. "The scandal had already happened," Anderson notes. "We knew when we were going in there we were more or less the cleanup crew."
Anderson says he oversaw about 30 interrogations a day with al-Qaida suspects, Iraqi insurgents and foreign combatants, most of whom were resistant. Even with mortars hitting the camp and a constant pressure for intelligence, he says, there were no torture-related incidents during his 10-month tour. "It's not worth it. And it's illegal, and you're going to go to jail," Anderson notes. "I like to think with my guys, it was killing them (captives) with kindness."
Anderson endorses a straightforward approach in most cases, using honesty and incentives. He told of a wounded foreigner who had signed up for combat against Americans but wound up being trained for a suicide mission. Anderson says the man's wounds were treated, he was treated decently and his betrayal was emphasized. Over time, the foreign fighter gave detailed intelligence on enemy recruiting methods.
"He came to Iraq, he got mixed up in what he was going to do, and things went wrong," Anderson says. "He wound up in coalition hands. He came to the realization, 'Holy cow, maybe these people aren't as bad as I was told.' "
Job: Interrogator
The Iraqi videographer divulges nothing, prompting his inquisitor to end the questioning with a sarcastic remark: "I thank you for the almost cooperative attitude that you have."
Another trainee steps in, only to have the tables turned.
"Who are you with?" demands the Iraqi.
"I'm with force protection."
"And who are you protecting?"
"Well, we protect the good, and we protect the bad."
Lt. Col. Jennings, standing nearby, observes that the field exercise has gone on for days with soldiers on duty for 18-hour shifts under pressure. "They're getting tired," he says. "They're starting to feel stress, making mistakes, and that's where the best learning occurs."
To be a good interrogator requires patience, creative thinking and an ability to get along with and manipulate people.
Jennings says HUMINT students are the intellectual cream among Army recruits - screened for brains, character and psychological strengths. The commander steps into a tent and starts talking to soldiers at random about their backgrounds: One is a college graduate looking for life experience before law school. Another is a 38-year-old housewife who joined the Army after her children were grown. There is also a young man with a degree in biochemistry, and a woman whose brother was killed in Iraq.
The trainees are nearly done with 13 weeks of intense course work. Instructors have indoctrinated them in combat skills, interrogation methods, the law of war and cultural awareness. About 10 percent will drop out or fail. The rest will take positions in national defense, being deployed as interrogators in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, the Philippines and elsewhere in the world.
"When they leave here, they're confident," Jennings says. "We tell them about the importance of what they're doing and how it makes a difference in the war on terror."
 
Wow, my respect for the US Army grew just out of reading this.
Too bad the Abu Ghraib trails were just some kind of mock trials, but I don't see that as the Army's fault...

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