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View Poll Results :Is the battleship obsolete?
Battleship is obsolete 33 51.56%
Battleship is not obsolete 27 42.19%
I don't know and I don't care 4 6.25%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

 
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April 10th, 2011  
Easy-8
 
 

I think battleships could be useful if fitted with railgun technology that would allow them to lob shells 200 miles. Either way I don't think anything beats those big guns when it comes to fire support.
April 11th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
Big Mo BB63 Firing her main battery:

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Two Iowa Class, I think this is Missouri and Wisconsin during the Gulf War:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H3cfZXoZE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H3cfZXoZE[/ame]

Wisconsin BB64:

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Iowa:

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Tell me that isn't impressive
August 9th, 2011  
HindStrike
 
 
Battleships could be effective when using modern sensors and weapons. If not railguns then big electrothermal-chemical guns could work in a similar fashion, albeit with normal types of shells.
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August 9th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
Problem is, even with the Missouri class in service during the first Gulf War, they were boilers on fuel, not only so but they had a huge crew compliment.

Another problem is that in smaller brush wars with a litoral nation, the so called brown water navy is key here.

Battleships could be useful once agian with the proper utilization.

But in an era where the world's larger navy's are looking to cut back on spending and cost.

Buying a hugely expensive piece of equiptment that has not been updated or even had tactics redeveloped for it deployment in decades, is just not cost effective.

Put it this way, horse calvary charges where once devastating and had a large fear factor on the battlefields of old, and I guess you could bring back scale use of horse calvary in the modern age, by for say developing laser beams to attach to their heads and kevlar armor plating....

But when the times comes to explain your thought in front of the defense spending committee, your laser beam armed kevlar space horse calvary of the future impressive and cool as it is, financially it just doesn't make sense....
August 11th, 2011  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Problem is, even with the Missouri class in service during the first Gulf War, they were boilers on fuel, not only so but they had a huge crew compliment.

Another problem is that in smaller brush wars with a litoral nation, the so called brown water navy is key here.

Battleships could be useful once agian with the proper utilization.

But in an era where the world's larger navy's are looking to cut back on spending and cost.

Buying a hugely expensive piece of equiptment that has not been updated or even had tactics redeveloped for it deployment in decades, is just not cost effective.

Put it this way, horse calvary charges where once devastating and had a large fear factor on the battlefields of old, and I guess you could bring back scale use of horse calvary in the modern age, by for say developing laser beams to attach to their heads and kevlar armor plating....

But when the times comes to explain your thought in front of the defense spending committee, your laser beam armed kevlar space horse calvary of the future impressive and cool as it is, financially it just doesn't make sense....
Probably not usefull for fighting as Cavalry, but in some places, like Vietnam, Mounted Infantry might have been usefull.
August 11th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
On a second note, horses navigate very rough terrain much better than motorized vehicles, and even in Afghanistan, coaliton special operations groups sometimes used horses, as they are more quiet and can navigate many types of terrain easier than atv's.


But as for bringing back an new version of an extremely expensive naval vessel, you would like any other piece of equiptment, get a concept, pay to have it developed, and the thing about a ship is unlike a plane, for a large vessel such as this there may very well be no "prototype" this does not give the nation in question's legistrative spending committee or body the ability to examine such prototype tests and decide if they want to continue to pay for the development the program, or if they wish to have a competing design take the contract instead.

(Like the death of the YF 23 for example)

And another bad thing you would have to overcome is cutting down as much as possible on the crew compliment, the most expensive componet often is personal, so the designers maybe I guess to solve that problem they would turn more to automation of any potentional battleship, thus running up the cost in the process.

Like I said, yes, maybe you could modernize the battleship, but the hardest part is overcoming that cost, unless you just ask for a private investor, then convincing your country's spending body to buy off on it, in today's economy is the only thing seperating you from your bad@$$ battlewagon is paying for it.

Unless you get get a bunch of corporate sponsors lol

Just couldn't image the Missouri sponsored by Coke, or State Farm lol
August 11th, 2011  
A Can of Man
 
 
Horses in jungles just seem like a very bad idea to me. Been in a few jungles... not exactly a horse-friendly environment.
August 11th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
That's what I thought for moment, but then I thought of Mexican cowboys ranching on the edges of rainforest.
August 11th, 2011  
George
 
As I think I already said earlier, the US can't make barrels bigger than 8", and the spare 16" barrels were slated for destrucion. If no Country can make barrels of 12" or bigger, then Battleships are a moot point(exactly why they were planning on destroying the spare barrels). The Russians seem to save everything, wonder if they had & saved the capacity, assuming they didn't buy the barrels for the few post WW 1 BBs they tried to make.
August 12th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
Why not just get a special interest group or private contractor to piggy back a program to remake 16 inch guns again through Congress.

I know it would not make sense, but that's almost a prerequisite to get a law passed in this country nowa days.

If the USN got funding and wanted big guns, long and behold, destroyed or not, they will forge new ones and get big guns.
 


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