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View Poll Results :Is the battleship obsolete?
Battleship is obsolete 33 51.56%
Battleship is not obsolete 27 42.19%
I don't know and I don't care 4 6.25%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

 
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April 5th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
I just love the looks of the old battle wagons, especially the types with huge (16") guns, and bristling with smaller AA weaponry, but it does not alter the fact that like many beautiful old things, their time is well and truly past and they are no more than an expensive and uneconomic use of manpower and materiel.
April 5th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by sully
The Russian Battle Cruiser posted above has never been a threat to the US because it has had so many problems with it's Propulsion systems it has spent most of its time alongside the pier.Also the Us Agies class Cruiser has it out-classed in every way possible as far as Fire Control.
But it was a Cold War Boggey Man when it was launched, and it's operating and performance factors were not known, hence the US recommissioned ships of roughly the same size.
April 6th, 2011  
sully
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
But it was a Cold War Boggey Man when it was launched, and it's operating and performance factors were not known, hence the US recommissioned ships of roughly the same size.
You are right about the Bogyman part it was a mean looking Ship like the Carrier Cruisers but I don't think that had anything to do with the Re-Commision of our Battle Wagons the Iwoa Class BB was super great as a Troop support you can ask any Jarhead or Dogface that was in Vietnam.
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April 6th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
Don't take my word for it then.

Late in her life, Wisconsin was reconstructed and returned to service. By this time there were no enemy battleships left, but the Soviet Union was making a bid to challenge the U.S. Navy's supremacy at sea, and in 1980 they commissioned the first of a class of four 28,000t nuclear powered guided missile battlecruisers, good for 33kts. The only ships in the world big enough and fast enough to counter these were the four Iowa class battleships, waiting patiently in reserve. The reactivation of the class started in 1981, with the New Jersey. The Iowa, Missouri, and Wisconsin followed. Their 16in guns were regarded as valuable assets, and were retained. Four twin 5in/38 mounts were removed to make way for Tomahawk missile launchers, the other six were retained. All of the lighter AA guns were removed. New systems added included: 8 armored box launchers for Tomahawk long range SSM, 4 quadruple launchers for Harpoon ASM, 4 Phalanax 20mm CIWS, improved communications (to the standard of a modern cruiser), SLQ-32V ECM gear, SPS-49 air search radar, SPS-67 sea search radar, various decoy systems, improved fire control systems, a new lattice foremast, installation of a helipad on the fantail, an improved fire-fighting system, and conversion to distillate fuel.

From here:http://www.chuckhawks.com/post_treaty_battleships2.htm
April 9th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 











Love em or hate em tell me that ain't freakin impressive.
April 10th, 2011  
sully
 
 
Just curious Marine have you ever saw this Lady up close and Personal.The name Jarhead was not an insult it was meant as my feeling toward Crimson & Gold a Gunny once told me I earned it I was attached to Camp Kister 1967 I had some great friends in Bravo & H&S 3/1 Amtracs under LT Colonel Toner.http://www.amtrac.org/1atbn/Chronicl...sAtCuaViet.asp
April 10th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sully
Just curious Marine have you ever saw this Lady up close and Personal.The name Jarhead was not an insult it was meant as my feeling toward Crimson & Gold a Gunny once told me I earned it I was attached to Camp Kister 1967 I had some great friends in Bravo & H&S 3/1 Amtracs under LT Colonel Toner.http://www.amtrac.org/1atbn/Chronicl...sAtCuaViet.asp
I was aboard both Iowa and Missouri in the 80's at various times. I qualed the Missouri's Marine 5" 38 gun mount at Talisan Bay PI in 87 with called fire and beacon adjustment.
April 10th, 2011  
sully
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
I was aboard both Iowa and Missouri in the 80's at various times. I qualed the Missouri's Marine 5" 38 gun mount at Talisan Bay PI in 87 with called fire and beacon adjustment.
I knew most of the FT and GM's on the Big Mo while she was in Long Beach CA her and the Jersey were both in LB just before Desert Storm and after.I did not ever think I would ever see such a Salty crew all together some of those FTMCS had over 40 years Service in total.
April 10th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
Did you know a GM2 on 63 skinny little f*ck with red hair from Southie that used to listen to the Dubliners all the damn time. Turret 2.
April 10th, 2011  
sully
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
Did you know a GM2 on 63 skinny little f*ck with red hair from Southie that used to listen to the Dubliners all the damn time. Turret 2.
Not sure but if he drank Beer knowing a Salior's habits I knew him because the Ships crew usually hang together esp. Gun crews the Bar they hang out in was called the Barge Inn and it was always a Navy Bar even back in the 60's it was also owned by an old Retired Cruiser Salior and his Wife.The only name I remember is Johnson he was Chief of the Boat BMSMC and he was just about as Salty as they come kinda like looking at a old Salty Gunny with more Hash marks than room on his sleeve.
 


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