Army BDU




 
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May 26th, 2004  
ruger322003
 
 

Topic: Army BDU


Does anybody know if the army plans on going to a new BDU?
May 26th, 2004  
I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S
 
I don't know... I haven't heard of anything about the Army, but the Air Force is testing out the new BDU's as we speak
May 26th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
From the Army Times:

10 BDU changes in the works

By Matthew Cox
Times staff writer

When soldiers in the Army’s first Stryker brigade deploy to Iraq next month, they will be outfitted in a unique new uniform.
The troops will be wearing the “Close Combat Uniform,” an experimental redesign of the Battle Dress Uniform aimed to better suit the needs of today’s combat soldiers.

The changes are intended to be practical, but several are a striking departure from the current BDU, including a mandarin-style collar, large pockets on the shoulders, built-in knee and elbow pads and a zip-up shirt.

Command Sgt. Major Mike Kelso drew a lot of attention when he modeled the prototype uniform at the 2003 Infantry Conference at Fort Benning, Ga., held Sept. 8 to 12.

“I’ve gotten a lot of comments on it,” said Kelso, the command sergeant major of the Infantry Center, after giving conference-goers a look at the new uniform, cut from the current BDU woodland pattern and made specifically for him. Kelso said he likes the many changes.

Each soldier in the Fort Lewis, Wash.-based 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division is being issued two sets of the redesigned uniform in the Army’s standard desert camouflage pattern, said Barry Hauck, assistant product manager for Product Manager Clothing and Individual Equipment.

Soldiers in that brigade offered a lot of input into potential changes needed in a new BDU, so when unit leaders requested sets to wear on deployment to Iraq with, uniform officials complied. But those soldiers will not be a formal part of the test process. That role goes to the second Stryker Brigade Combat Team, part of the 25th Infantry Division at Lewis, who will wear and test the new duds from November through February. They will be at the forefront of evaluations that will factor into whether the uniform one day could be issued Army-wide.

“The second Stryker brigade is our test vehicle,” Hauck said.

Uniform officials said that deploying the uniform with the first Stryker brigade will give them a chance to see how the proposed changes hold up in an operational environment over the long term.

The Stryker brigade testing the close-combat uniform at Fort Lewis will see versions of the BDU in two styles the Army is considering as the future camouflage pattern: a gray, tan and black “urban track” design, and a “scorpion” design that is a muted version of the current woodland pattern.

The testing is separate from Army evaluations of a possible wrinkle-free BDU.

Testing the close-combat uniform won’t cost the troops involved any cash, since the Army is issuing each soldier his or her BDUs. Troops in the first Stryker brigade will get two sets each, a total of about 8,400 sets, at a cost of about $100 a pop, Hauck said.

“It’s an opportunity to say ‘we heard what you had to say.’ We are demonstrating to soldiers that we are being responsive,” Hauck said.

Most soldiers who saw the new uniform at Fort Benning liked the new pockets and other added features. Kelso even had a few more ideas, saying the Army should think about adding zippers underneath the arms for venting. Another change he recommended is to make new side-opening breast pockets a little larger.

Once the test uniform has been out in the field, soldiers no doubt will have plenty of input on what works, what doesn’t and other changes they would like to see.

The redesign effort is the first step toward the Advanced Combat Uniform, a new type of battlefield attire designed specifically for the needs of soldiers in combat.

Over the long haul, the ACU is supposed to create a multi-layer uniform that eliminates the need for inclement weather gear and nuclear, biological and chemical protective garments.

But in the short term, the ACU includes a number of practical improvements to the BDU based on soldier suggestions, said Dave Nelson, deputy product manager for clothing and individual equipment.

“The key to the concept is it’s a combat uniform, not a garrison uniform,” said Dave Geringer, assistant product manager for Product Manager Clothing and Individual Equipment.

This will no doubt create challenges the Army will have to address, Nelson said. Some will be small, such as how soldiers will wear unit shoulder patches if shoulder pockets are added to the uniform.

Others will be more complex, such as the logistical challenges of having a uniform designed specifically for combat, Nelson said.

“There are cultural and logistical decisions that have to be carefully considered with just about every path we take,” Nelson said, adding that this is just one step in a long process.

“It is too early to say whether this is going to replace BDUs.”

Basic changes
Pockets on the shoulders, a feature liked by special operations soldiers. Uniform officials have yet to determine how rank insignia would be attached, but velcro strips similar to those used by Spec Ops soldiers is one possibility.
No more lower pockets on the front of the BDU shirt. The two pockets have often been criticized as impractical when wearing body armor and load-bearing gear, and have been removed.

Side openings on the remaining two front breast pockets so they are accessible from the side where body armor opens.

Knee and elbow pockets — added so soldiers can insert hard or soft protective padding.

No more rear trouser pockets.

Raised side cargo pockets to make them more accessible.

New pockets on the outer calf have been added to make small items easily reachable when in the kneeling position.

Comfort and appearance

The shirt has a zippered front instead of buttons, meant to be faster to take on and off, and better venting. A flap secured by Velcro folds over the zipper for concealment.

The shirt is shorter, in order to cut down on bulk when soldiers tuck it in during field operations.

A mandarin-style collar. Solders proposed this change for better protection from weather and when soldiers are participating in air-assault missions. The collar is held closed with a Velcro tab. The collar can be folded down and affixed with a rank insignia device.
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May 27th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
What the devil is a mandarin style collar?

Thank you for the information, by the way, Sir, I had no idea this was even in the works.
May 27th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
They are making it easier for the patch bde to collect more and more on their BDUs. Pretty soon the Army will be like the girl scouts, we'll just issue everyone a sash to put their (merit)badges on. Zippers, that's going to feel good after 20 mins in the heat and the time comes to go prone. And we all know how fun zippers are when they break/jam.
And the velcro of course, a brilliant idea on tactical uniforms instead of buttons. So when you're patrolling in the woods, moving silently with your team, and you stop for a quick map check. On the hand signal for a short security halt, the team fans out and quietly takes up positions facing out in 360 degrees. You kneel in the middle of the perimeter, reach up to open your chest pocket and RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP! The separating Velcro shatters the silence. Oops.

Redneck, it means the collar will stand up, usually only an inch to an inch and a half.
May 28th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 

Hopefully they'll introduce some new velcro combat boots, too, I'm sick of all these knots.
I don't really like the sash idea, Sir, I think the Girl Scouts badge vest would look a lot snazzier, but I believe the DoA has already made their decision:

http://www.ehowa.com/show/picture.ht...rmyuniform.jpg


So a mandarin collar is kind of like a banded collar, Sir? I'm not really sure how exactly that is supposed to improve anything.
May 28th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redneck
http://www.ehowa.com/show/picture.html?image=newarmyuniform.jpg
Hey! What are you trying to serve us here...??
The webfilter at work blocks this one as "sexual content"..
May 28th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
The webfilter at work blocks this one as "sexual content"..
That's funny, wait until you see the photo, then you'll find it even more so.
May 28th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Hey! What are you trying to serve us here...??
The webfilter at work blocks this one as "sexual content"..
It's the new kinder, gentler Army, we're going to be winning the enemy's hearts and minds with techno music and short skirts.
May 28th, 2004  
soldierzhonor
 
 
the new kevlar coming out get the sat radio eh? lol