Originally Posted by Eden

Are you serious?,first of all there was no spying,CIA released files couple of days ago that proves it.

And Israel-US relations are not the best right know,but fighting against eachother?are you serious?..will never ever happen.even if US Israel relations really go down,
too much conspiracies bro.

Your problem is that your lies are far to easily disproven. Not a good thing for an Israeli even your own papers are reporting it.

Originally Posted by Haaretz 17 Dec 2012

Former U.S. officials say CIA considers Israel to be Mideast's biggest spy threat
The CIA station chief opened the locked box containing the sensitive equipment he used from his home in Tel Aviv, Israel, to communicate with CIA headquarters in Virginia, only to find that someone had tampered with it. He sent word to his superiors about the break-in. The incident, described to the Associated Press by three former senior U.S. intelligence officials, might have been dismissed as just another cloak-and-dagger incident in the world of international espionage, except that the same thing had happened to the previous station chief in Israel. Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...hreat-1.454189

Below is an example of Israel's "gratitude" for the Trillions of dollars worth of financial and military aid they have been given.

26th.Nov, 2011
Finnish authorities have confirmed the seizure of 69 Patriot missiles manufactured by Raytheon Corporation today. During a routine search of the MS Thor Liberty, a ship flagged by the Isle of Man, at the Finnish port of Kotka, authorities found 69 Patriot missiles capable of a type capable of intercepting ICBMs, the most modern available and America’s most sensitive military technology.
These units, the most advanced Patriot system had only been supplied to nation, Israel. The 69 Patiot ICBM interceptors are believed to be a highly secret consignment demanded by Israel as protection from any retaliatory strike by Iran were war to break out in the region, Instead of deploying them, the missiles were apparently sold to China labeled as “fireworks” accoring to Interior Minister Paivi Rasanen.

Originally Posted by Eden

Are you serious?,first of all there was no spying,CIA released files couple of days ago that proves it.

And Israel-US relations are not the best right know,but fighting against eachother?are you serious?..will never ever happen.even if US Israel relations really go down,
too much conspiracies bro.

More Israeli lies and denials eh?

Your country has deliberately killed American serviceman before. Look up The attack on the USS Liberty 1967. Need I cite more?

Originally Posted by senojekips

Your problem is that your lies are far to easily disproven. Not a good thing for an Israeli even your own papers are reporting it.



Below is an example of Israel's "gratitude" for the Trillions of dollars worth of financial and military aid they have been given.

How excatly this disproves my point?

the first one,an ex us offical..c'mon,are you kidding me?

second one.there is no even a source.I saw the patriots in Israel,weird huh?.

btw,haaretz is a left extremists news paper.so thats not "our own papers".

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

More Israeli lies and denials eh?

Your country has deliberately killed American serviceman before. Look up The attack on the USS Liberty 1967. Need I cite more?

Please,educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
"Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship."


conspiracies?no thx.

Originally Posted by Eden

Please,educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
"Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship."

conspiracies?no thx.

Your "story" has been known to be a lie for over 40 years.
How could a modern well kept modern naval Vessel flying a US flag and bristling with ECW antennae be mistaken for a rusted out Egyptian horse carrier that looked nothing like it and was less than 40% of it's size? Do all Israeli pilots have to be legally blind?
It is known that the US Government has issued statements alleging it was a case of mistaken identity, however they are thought by most analysts to be the result of short term political expediency at that time, and this has since been confirmed by later admissions by several Israeli witnesses.

Source:http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag* and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested. *When first asked, Israel denied that there was a flag at all".(my note)

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. "I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack, " he insists. Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a "tragic accident" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport. Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has never found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.

Originally Posted by Eden

How excatly this disproves my point?
the first one,an ex us offical..c'mon,are you kidding me?
second one.there is no even a source.I saw the patriots in Israel,weird huh?.

btw,haaretz is a left extremists news paper.so thats not "our own papers".

For your information Haaretz is an Israeli publication and it is widely reported in the West as a reliable source of information relatively untainted by Israeli propaganda.
For a start, Israel is the only country outside the US to have received these weapons. So how is it that they just happen to be found on a ship consigned to China? US back yard arms dealers?
Like all weapons they have Serial Numbers and other unique identifying features that identifies every detail of their manufacture right down to the day, plant location and batch number.
The matter was reported to the US by Finnish government as part of the GWOT , I suppose you are going to insist the Finns are just being Antisemitic monsters who hate Israel?
Full story:http://maritime-executive.com/articl...d-for-shanghai

Israel's treachery and dealings with the enemies of the US has been documented for many years. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-1510406.html

When an Israeli hit squad used forged Canadian passports in Jordan, that's what countries with good relations are doing.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

When an Israeli hit squad used forged Canadian passports in Jordan, that's what countries with good relations are doing.

Yes, and the Australian Government expelled Israel's diplomat after it was found that had Israel forged Australian passports for an assassination in Dubai.

What tickles me about your post is that our "visiting mental pygmy", Cartman, thinks you were saying something complimentary.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Your "story" has been known to be a lie for over 40 years.
How could a modern well kept modern naval Vessel flying a US flag and bristling with ECW antennae be mistaken for a rusted out Egyptian horse carrier that looked nothing like it and was less than 40% of it's size? Do all Israeli pilots have to be legally blind?
It is known that the US Government has issued statements alleging it was a case of mistaken identity, however they are thought by most analysts to be the result of short term political expediency at that time, and this has since been confirmed by later admissions by several Israeli witnesses.

Source:http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag* and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested. *When first asked, Israel denied that there was a flag at all".(my note)

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. "I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack, " he insists. Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a "tragic accident" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport. Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has never found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.

Thank you for proving my point Spike.

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

Thank you for proving my point Spike.

There's plenty more,.. like the fact that the Israelis were attempting to jam plain language transmissions in English on a frequency known to be used by the USN in that theatre. Not something expected from an Egyptian horse transport.

It is also widely believed that Israel did this in a desperate attempt to further involve the US in their war against Egypt, thinking that they would quickly sink an un armed Intelligence gathering vessel and blame it on Egypt. Hoping the US would retaliate, but that's only a theory