Del Boy:
As a descendant of people killed by said Nazis during World War II, I have absolutely no love for them or any of their supporters. But I think you're taking it too far. We are, really, turning a bit of a blind eye to what the Israelis are doing because we feel we owe it to them. Now, we definitely owe them something, and while I accept that there were Israeli settlers in Palestine before Britain's postwar reformation,
Fair comment TOG, but I am not 'taking it too far', I am putting forward the case for peace, even to the extent of posting the Islamic message to the world on my post 66.
Now please understand Jews in Palestine prior to Britain's post-war intervention were to a large degree NOT 'Israeli settlers', but Jews who had existed there in many cases longer than the Arabs.
there is the basic fact that the area had been majority Arab for almost a thousand years.
Again, fair comment. Except that the chronological history I post on the earlier thread shows where and why. Jews were continually removed by conquest throughout that time, and whilst they were a complete state and kingdom majority from 1273BC to AD70, the position in the 1000 years you mention was that the Jews often held the majority in the cities- the 4 biggest particularly, and the rural areas were held majorities of various groups. The Jews were obliged to gather together in the cities to protect themselves from attack, just like today in the region, in fact.
And, when a minority comes in and takes control of things, no matter how legally it's done, the locals are NOT going to be happy. I agree that there were much calmer and saner ways to approach things than the Arabs did, but can you at least understand their frustration?
We can not reverse the past, but we can learn from our mistakes. And right now in order to make up for the past we are trying to favor those that were wronged, which in turn is wronging others. It's getting us nowhere. Now, I can see where Israel may deserve its own state, but its establishment was dreadfully executed. The best thing we can do is move forward from this and try to learn from our past mistakes and unify the place, and that involves concessions to the Arabs.
What a good post. I agree, and of course the frustration of the Arabs is understood. I for one has never here suggested otherwise; that is why I promote peace and prosperity in the area, side by side the two groups could work wonders. I have merely tried to show the history of the Israeli case, facts only;not my opinions.
Of course this involves concessions to the Arabs, but in return for a guaranteed peace with secure borders. Egypt and Jordan example, peace for so many years.
Good post TOG. Feel free to hit me any time.
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