Originally Posted by Chukpike

I looked around for this but could not find anything on it. Could you post a link?

Found it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UG7e0OYDt0

Wolfen

We do have some responsibility. We supported the Shah (who while friendly to the West, was a pretty ruthless and exploitive dictator when it came to his own people) and the Iranians never forgave us for that. True, that was 30 years ago and the Mullahs are exploiting that to justify an even more oppressive regime. But we have meddled in their affairs before, that's why they are so sensitive.

Maybe so but the US isn't alone in "meddling" with their election right now and what the US and other countries who oppose the result are saying are representing the sentiments of perhaps the majority of voters in Iran.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Found it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UG7e0OYDt0

This is a good breakdown of a possible power change in the Supreme Council. Everyone should be aware that a change in the Supreme Council and a different Ayatollah will not translate into a more democratic government, just a shift in who controls Iran. A new Ayatollah could deal differently with other countries, but how the political system works inside Iran will not change.

This is not a revolution.
It is more like communist China changing leadership after Mao Tse Tung. It did not effect the type of government, just the names changed and a shift in how to accomplish the governments goals.

The election for President had more to do with economic problems than wanting to change the system of government. The people are suffering economically, the recession is world wide.

Actually the whole shakeup going on right now is because their democracy is being threatened. That is, it was a pretty decent democracy until the latest round of election fraud happened.
If it simply does as much as go back to how it was before the most recent election, that would be a return to democratic ways.
Actually one can argue that what happened after Mao was indeed a revolution, though one of a different kind. The way things were done were completely changed and the Chinese wanted to get closer to the Americans. Many of the ideals of the Communist party were slowly abandoned and capitalistic ones took its place.
Yes, the current protests in Iran are motivated economically but it's really gotten out of hand because they felt that they could bring about a change in economic policy through elections (sort of how it's done where we are) but were bitterly disappointed.
It doesn't mean Iran will be any friendlier to the West or Israel as that is a completely different topic. This is more about Iran and democracy.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Actually the whole shakeup going on right now is because their democracy is being threatened. That is, it was a pretty decent democracy until the latest round of election fraud happened.
If it simply does as much as go back to how it was before the most recent election, that would be a return to democratic ways.
Actually one can argue that what happened after Mao was indeed a revolution, though one of a different kind. The way things were done were completely changed and the Chinese wanted to get closer to the Americans. Many of the ideals of the Communist party were slowly abandoned and capitalistic ones took its place.
Yes, the current protests in Iran are motivated economically but it's really gotten out of hand because they felt that they could bring about a change in economic policy through elections (sort of how it's done where we are) but were bitterly disappointed.
It doesn't mean Iran will be any friendlier to the West or Israel as that is a completely different topic. This is more about Iran and democracy.

At the end of the day Iran will have:
A Supreme Leader presiding over the Supreme Council.
The Supreme Leader with the Councils approval will decide which one of their hand picked Presidential candidates will be the new President.
The new president will enforce the Supreme Councils wishes.
The system of government is not going to change.
If this fits your definition of a democracy so be it.

As I have explained...
Every four years, only Presidential candidates with the blessing of the very, very rich minority will get to run for President.
The new President will enforce the financiers' wishes.
The system of government is not going to change.
If this is your idea of democracy, so be it.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

As I have explained...
Every four years, only Presidential candidates with the blessing of the very, very rich minority will get to run for President.
The new President will enforce the financiers' wishes.
The system of government is not going to change.
If this is your idea of democracy, so be it.

As you said in an earlier post:
"This is more about Iran and democracy."

If you wish to address another country start a new thread.

No, it is relevent because you said Iran is not a democracy for the following reasons. I have made a comparison with a country you would consider democratic.
It is not off topic. You just hate what you're reading.

I hope there is a revolution, cause if there was a better govcould be set up

Viva la revolution!! OR HAllibaba achahama Revolution!!

I'm not really interested in better/worse government based on revolution. Iran had a revolution in 1979 to overthrow the last oppressive government; but we liked that one, hence all the bad blood between us and them now. If this government becomes too oppressive, I feel that regardless of what the situation is, if the people living there feel things are bad then they should overthrow their government. If not, then the rest of the world can complain but the government is serving its purpose; to please the masses.