Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

I have a 50/50 view on background checks.

I do support that to a limit. It comes down to two things. Time and the mark of the beast.

I do not want to government to go and make me do finger prints and dna test to buy a new firearm. As of right now. Florida runs you through FDLE (state version of the FBI). Most checks take about five minutes because most folks have no past. But some get screwed because of their names.

Then how do you go about proving someones identity? Especially when you consider that identity theft is become more and more common.

Do you know how many folks named Jorge Lopez or Carlos Perez are in Florida?

There a millions of them. So one ruins it for all.

Thats why using a Social Security Numbers and a biometric scan would solve this in a jiffy...

In the end, nothing stops criminals from bypassing the system.

No, most criminals buy their weapons illegally. I see no reason to make it easier to give them legal access to weapons.

It's called a Straw Purchase. Someone with a clean background goes and buy said firearm for criminal. Happens all the time. Every gun store has signs saying that doing a straw purchase will land you in jail by the BAFTE for 10 years. Folks still do it because some folks are criminals.

Some states like Michigan track this. They look for patterns, for example an individual who makes several gun purchases over a short time raises a red flag.

So once again, why are you going to hurt the law abiding community with such a hurdle for buying a new firearm?

When you consider the potential harm that could be done by destroying barriers designed to keep guns away from criminals. A 10-14 day wait period isnt that long in the scheme of things.

10-14 day waiting period. That is insane. Florida has five day for civilian, three day for law enforcement, zero day for conceal carry permit holder (me).

I like buying my firearms like I like buying my DVD movies and dinners. I pay cash and walk out the door with my product of choice.

I think the only people who should'nt be allowed to buy guns are VIOLENT criminals.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

10-14 day waiting period. That is insane. Florida has five day for civilian, three day for law enforcement, zero day for conceal carry permit holder (me).

I like buying my firearms like I like buying my DVD movies and dinners. I pay cash and walk out the door with my product of choice.

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I grant you its a MINOR inconvenience for honest people. But life's full of those, it wouldn't be the first.

I couldn't care less about the actual time. The time should be the time necessary to verify people buying guns are not terrorists, criminals, off their medication. Whether thats 1 minute, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, or 1 year, I don't care. If a instant check can be done thoroughly within an hour, so be it. As long as its accurate. Biometrics would go along way here, once the technology is perfected (its very close), they already have it in airports.


You can hardly compare a DVD sale to a weapons sales. DVDs are not designed to kill people. And what you are suggesting will have armed every criminal to the teeth.

Major Liability

I think the system works well the way it is. If you are a convicted Felon, you may not own a gun, ever again. Period.

I believe that if a person is convicted of a crime with a weapon then that person has lost all rights to own a weapon since he/she has shown they would use a weapon to harm or threaten the life of a human being in the course of a crime.

By weapon I mean a Knife, Gun, Taser, Pepperspray etc etc. No need to be asinine and say "a shoestring can be a weapon or a lamp shade can be a weapon".

As for the waiting period, I am all for it. If you can not wait 10 - 14 days for a background check to be ran through the Federal Computers then you need to learn patience. I went into a local pawnshop in CO and purchased a matching pair of semi-auto .380 pistols. I was in and out of the store inside of 30 minutes after filling out all appropriate paperwork. End cost for two brand new handguns (cheap ones) was $250.00USD +tax. Now imagine if I had some kind of criminal intent with a completely clean record or that I was buying that firearm for someone else with a criminal record?

As for Gator's comments concerning the US Constitution and the right of felons to own (or not) firearms:

Lewis v. United States (1980) [10] - Ruling Congress may prohibit felons from possessing firearms:
"This Court has recognized repeatedly that a legislature constitutionally may prohibit a convicted felon from engaging in activities far more fundamental than the possession of a firearm." More on the case here: http://www.guncite.com/court/fed/sc/445us55.html

Also you might want to view:

" . . . "So, under Title VII, every citizen could possess a gun [445 U.S. 55, 63] until the commission of his first felony. Upon his conviction, however, Title VII would deny every assassin, murderer, thief and burglar of the right to possess a firearm in the future except where he has been pardoned by the President or a State Governor and had been expressedly authorized by his pardon to possess a firearm." 114 Cong. Rec. 14773 (196. . . "

http://www.agh-attorneys.com/4_lewis_v_US.htm

Originally Posted by mmarsh

I think the system works well the way it is. If you are a convicted Felon, you may not own a gun, ever again. Period.

Selling some drugs or stealing something don't qualify you as a violent person in my book. I guess it's just my age.

Originally Posted by Marinerhodes

I believe that if a person is convicted of a crime with a weapon then that person has lost all rights to own a weapon since he/she has shown they would use a weapon to harm or threaten the life of a human being in the course of a crime.

By weapon I mean a Knife, Gun, Taser, Pepperspray etc etc. No need to be asinine and say "a shoestring can be a weapon or a lamp shade can be a weapon".

As for the waiting period, I am all for it. If you can not wait 10 - 14 days for a background check to be ran through the Federal Computers then you need to learn patience. I went into a local pawnshop in CO and purchased a matching pair of semi-auto .380 pistols. I was in and out of the store inside of 30 minutes after filling out all appropriate paperwork. End cost for two brand new handguns (cheap ones) was $250.00USD +tax. Now imagine if I had some kind of criminal intent with a completely clean record or that I was buying that firearm for someone else with a criminal record?

As for Gator's comments concerning the US Constitution and the right of felons to own (or not) firearms:


Also you might want to view:

I just wanted to get the differing views.
You say you believe it is correct that the Federal Government can infringe on Firearm Ownership, that is all I was after.
That you view the Federal Government has the Constitutional Power to deny a Citizen the privilege of owning a weapon is on record.

Originally Posted by major liability

Selling some drugs or stealing something don't qualify you as a violent person in my book. I guess it's just my age.

I have sat on a jury on 3 drug cases. There isn't a drug dealer that doesn't own or have access to a weapon of somesort, and usually its a gun. In all my cases they were all packin (never on them, so they wouldnt get caught with it), but within a few feet. In the illegal drug trade if you don't have a gun, its a written invitation to get robbed or put out of business by rivals who do.

Samething with robbery, most of them time they are armed. I was lucky never to have had a gun pulled on me, but I have had knifes and other melee weapons. Still, I don't think these were the types of guys you want to give access to guns.

MarinerRhodes

Good post, I 100% agree.

The thing is, they'll get guns one way or another, but if they honestly want one for self-protection and not murder, it would be better for them to have a legal firearm. That way, if they kill someone, it can be traced.

Originally Posted by major liability

The thing is, they'll get guns one way or another, but if they honestly want one for self-protection and not murder, it would be better for them to have a legal firearm. That way, if they kill someone, it can be traced.

No criminal is going to use his own gun to commit a crime. Thats like robbing a bank and leaving your business card. If a criminal is smart (and most arn't, that's why they get caught) they will dispose of a weapon immediately after using it.

And nobody is going to believe an ex-con who says I am just going to buy a gun for my own protection. Even a ex-con needs a gun he probably has a plan to use it.