Muslim chief slams 'police state' Britain, like Nazi Germany (AFP)

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AFP - A Muslim leader has warned that Britain is moving towards a "police state," comparing the situation to Nazi Germany after the anti-terror raids in the city of Birmingham this week.



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When the muslim terrorists continue to use the freedoms afforded in a democracy against their host countries what the hell do they think is going to happen? Cry me a river Muhammed.
 
What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.

Yes, I do realise that all Muslims are not terrorists, but the rules apply to the non Muslim community too. and we must realise that they are made necessary by the lunatic fringe. Be they Muslim or otherwise.
 
senojekips said:
What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.

Yes, I do realise that all Muslims are not terrorists, but the rules apply to the non Muslim community too. and we must realise that they are made necessary by the lunatic fringe. Be they Muslim or otherwise.
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So what is wrong with his statements?

At Birmingham Central Mosque, its chairman Mohammad Naseem urged Muslims to show restraint following the raids, in which nine suspects were arrested over allegations of plotting an "Iraq-style" kidnapping and filmed beheading.
The message to local Muslims is clear, said Naseem: "They must not lose heart, they should remain calm; they must maintain their dignity, they must obey the law of the land.
"That's what their religion demands of them," he told BBC radio shortly before the start of the main Friday prayer meeting.
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This is the message more Muslim leaders need to be sending and the authorities should be doing all they can to encourage the guy the last thing that will help the situation is "if you don't like it piss off" comments.
 
Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.

All States look like police states to criminals, or persons who desire to commit criminal acts.

And the fact remains if "they" do not like the law of their adopted land or the land that their parents adopted, they should do us all a favour and go to where they will be happy. That's what I'd do if it were me. The law cannot be changed to suit the whim of the minority, or we will be no better than the country they or their ancestors left in the first place.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.
 
"Nazi Germany".......how old fashioned.

Why not make a more contemporary comparision like........um........Saudi Arabia, Lybia, or Iran or Syria or........ well get my drift.

Now back to Nazi Germany - who did they back, fund, and support in Palestine in the 1930's and 40's. Who in the Middle East was in bed with Adolf? Can someone jog my memory? :confused:
 
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Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.

All States look like police states to criminals, or persons who desire to commit criminal acts.

And the fact remains if "they" do not like the law of their adopted land or the land that their parents adopted, they should do us all a favour and go to where they will be happy. That's what I'd do if it were me. The law cannot be changed to suit the whim of the minority, or we will be no better than the country they or their ancestors left in the first place.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.
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While I agree that people should always move to a Nation they would be most happy in, if the Laws of what would be the gaining and losing Nations allow of course.
Laws dealing with Freedom of Speech, Movement, Association, and Privacy are generally put in place to to protect and favor the Minority, because in a Democracy the Majority just votes in what they would like to have happen on a whim.
 
bulldogg said:
Palestinians... what did I win Padre?
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You win the right to prove your answer...
Care to name those Palestinian units?
If you are refering to the Muslim units that joined the SS mid way through the war I think you will find they were Bosnian and I think from memory there was an Indian unit. Now I am not saying you are wrong as there was a lot of pro-German sympathies in places like Iraq and Turkey but I would be interested to see if you can find any actual units of "Palestinian" origin.

senojekips said:
Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.
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I agree completely it is a well used theory that you have lost the argument when you have to bring up the Nazi's as you can tell from your local clergyman's post its a great option to use when you have nothing really to say but feel the need to continue your crusade however its generally regarded as poor form.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.
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I would suggest that my version is a closer translation than you seem to be giving of this statement.
What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.
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I will give you the same argument I have given others, you have no idea whether this guy is an immigrant or a UK born citizen where exactly would he go back to?

Now I realise that the burden of proof or even fact does not weigh heavily on the minds of people spouting right wing rhetoric but if you want genuine discussion on topics it is a requirement.
 
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I agree completely it is a well used theory that you have lost the argument when you have to bring up the Nazi's as you can tell from your local clergyman's post its a great option to use when you have nothing really to say but feel the need to continue your crusade however its generally regarded as poor form.
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"Form" has nothing to do with it unless you are in this merely to score points, it is a matter of the truth that I am interested in, not "point scoring"

I would suggest that my version is a closer translation than you seem to be giving of this statement.
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The very reason I used the words that I did, was to avoid being accused of the very thing you are saying. in other words you chose to ignore the truth and deliberately misquote me, not a very good basis for your argument. Your agenda is showing badly I'm afraid. What is it, never let the truth get in the way of a good argument?

I will give you the same argument I have given others, you have no idea whether this guy is an immigrant or a UK born citizen where exactly would he go back to?
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It matters not a fig, he can still vote with his feet regardless of where he was born.
 
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The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/index.html

Husseini-Hilter-Berlin.jpg


http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html

http://emperors-clothes.com/archive/mufhitler.htm

Already in 1937 Goebbels praised the Arabs' "national and racial awareness," noting that "in Palestine they hoist Nazi flags and deck their homes with swastikas and portraits of Hitler."
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http://www.ihr.org/conference/beirutconf/010329jp.html
Indeed, Arabs were among the first to latch onto Nazi ideology. Undisguised fascist parties proliferated -- from Syria's Nationalist Socialists headed by Anton Saada to Ahmed Hussein's Young Egypt. But the kingpin was revered Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini. His association with Nazi Germany predates his wartime activities in Berlin. His bloody uprising of 1936-39 was funded by Hitler and actively abetted by German Templars, resident here since the 19th century.
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The PLO is a direct descendent of Husseini's forces, and its ongoing ties to neo-Nazis are amply documented.
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http://www.ihr.org/conference/beirutconf/010329jp.html
 
bulldogg said:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/index.html


http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html

http://emperors-clothes.com/archive/mufhitler.htm


http://www.ihr.org/conference/beirutconf/010329jp.html


http://www.ihr.org/conference/beirutconf/010329jp.html
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I think you managed to find some pretty dodgy websites there.

It is not undocumented that the Germans expected regional support and hoped for uprisings in Iraq and Iran to support Rommel's African campaign and the German drive into the Caucasus however this obviously did not happen.

As far as Nazi's finding a safe haven in Middle east well lets face it they found safe havens in South America, USA, USSR and numerous other countries as well depending on what they had to offer.

The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.
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And how would this man be any different to say this man?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/lindbergh/sfeature/fallen.html

or maybe this guy.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWjoyceW.htm

Should we paint entire nations based on the actions of these two?

This is the problem when you choose to be selective in presenting "evidence" inevitably it simply weakens your argument.

Incidently here is a list of Waffen SS units I am not sure it is complete as there is certainly at least one unit missing (The British Freikorps http://www.feldgrau.com/gb.html ) however I do not see a Palestinian unit listed or even a middle eastern unit which would indicate that this supposed mutual support was not as strong at the grass roots level that your sources would have us believe.
 
No one said there was a "palesinian unit" it said "support"... re-read... see if I'm right.
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