Yugoslav "Novi Avion" - Page 3




 
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October 26th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
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Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms
I fail to see how FORMER SOCIALIST YUGOSLAVIA, WHICH WAS RAN BY TITO AND WAS COMPOSED OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT BALKAN CULTURES AND PEOPLE had "dubious" technology.
This has got to be the logical flaw of the year.

And yes it's being flown by Burma because all they can afford are... wait for it... CRAP PLANES.



Alright fine so they have 12 MiG-29s...
October 26th, 2009  
captiva303
 
 
i think the fact that everyone has an embargo against Burma doesn't help either as that kinda limits there options...
October 26th, 2009  
Zastava-Arms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
And yes it's being flown by Burma because all they can afford are... wait for it... CRAP PLANES.



Alright fine so they have 12 MiG-29s...
Crap planes?

I dont even have to reply to that.
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October 26th, 2009  
KJ
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms
Its not based on either of them, its a Yugoslav design.

Probably would have ended up as good or better than the F-16/Gripen
Itīs a Yougoslav design heavily based on the named designs.
And how do you reckon the Yugo version had been better?
A design concieved in the 80,s not upgraded would not have been a more effective platform then either of the other two.

I understand your national pride of a nation that no longer exist, but you will have to keep your arguments at least tolerable to be able to get anyone to debate with you mate.
And no, Yugoslavia under Tito were no utopia, it was better then what came afterwards but it was a far cry from itīs western counterparts at the time.
I have been to the Balkans enough to know mate.

Edit to add: Yes, the F-7,s is a hoplessly dated design.

//KJ.
October 26th, 2009  
Zastava-Arms
 
Alright, I was a bit pissed when I made that comment I admit, but to say it would have been pitiful and useless is a bit of a idiotic thing to say. We had French assistance with it, and I dont think anybody can say that the Mirage fighter's are "CRAP PLANES".

You may have been to the Balkans, but my entire family [Majority at least] has lived through Tito's era of Yugoslavia and they have a very interesting opinion when you ask them to compare Yugoslavia to another western country.
October 26th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Ever heard of the "good ol' days?"
It's known as selective memory.
October 27th, 2009  
Zastava-Arms
 
Ill see what they think was bad about Yugoslavia, shall I?

Id block your ears if I were you because what I find out might make you cry.

Boo hoo.
October 27th, 2009  
KJ
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms
Alright, I was a bit pissed when I made that comment I admit, but to say it would have been pitiful and useless is a bit of a idiotic thing to say. We had French assistance with it, and I dont think anybody can say that the Mirage fighter's are "CRAP PLANES".

You may have been to the Balkans, but my entire family [Majority at least] has lived through Tito's era of Yugoslavia and they have a very interesting opinion when you ask them to compare Yugoslavia to another western country.
I wouldnīt go that far as to call it pitiful and useless, nor did I..
Thing with foreign assistance on your fighters is that you will rarely get the latest technology from your partner, unless the company,s making it merge.
I havenīt even heard a rumour that dassault would merge with a Yugo company?

Ok, Iīll bite..How many western nations have they been in?
Since I lived in one and worked and travelled to the Balkans I have a pretty good idea about what the place was under Tito and after Tito.
Still a far cry from western nations..

But I WILL give you this.
Out of all the Soviet satelite states. (countries in the Soviet realm of influence) IMHO and limited experience with alot of other countries in the same situation the Yugos were the best run socialistic experiment and the one closest to working.
Well while the dictator was alive that is.

//KJ.
October 28th, 2009  
Zastava-Arms
 
France, Germany, England, Australia [Mainly Australia], Italy, Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand and the USA.

That's not just my family, but all the family members [And family friends] who have lived in Tito's Yugoslavia.

SFR Yugoslavia was not a Soviet Sattelite state, it was a neutral country. Tito was really pissed off at Josef Stalin so the USSR/Yugoslavia were not cosy little friends. Infact Tito was one of the people that started the non-aligned movement.
October 28th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms

SFR Yugoslavia was not a Soviet Sattelite state, it was a neutral country.
This is the only thing that's made any sense since you joined. This is very true.