Originally Posted by Koz

T-62

M60a2

Reasons, Koz?

Dean.

Originally Posted by Fox

I think that would be Renault FT-17. It's a small tank. I heard French still use it until World War 2. When German invade France in World War 2. French send Renaults to face the German tanks. Any german tanks are blew Renault easily.

I cannot agree with you there Fox

The Renault FT-17 was state of the art in WWI, arguably one one of the best tanks of WWI. The fact that it was obsolete (like all military equipment eventually) for WWII doesnt detract from its original conception. It had just lived past its prime thats all...

My choice would be the Polish TKS Tankette, a disasterous design...

Originally Posted by Dean

Reasons, Koz?

Dean.

T-62

A ***** to crew, the 115mm gun was shitty, basically just an interim tank till the T-64

M60A2

The gun missile didn't work much at all. Read some of Dwight Pruitt's posts on tanknet, he says they would maybe be able to get of 2 missiles in a minute.

The Italian and Japanese tanks of WWII.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

I cannot agree with you there Fox

The Renault FT-17 was state of the art in WWI, arguably one one of the best tanks of WWI. The fact that it was obsolete (like all military equipment eventually) for WWII doesnt detract from its original conception. It had just lived past its prime thats all...

My choice would be the Polish TKS Tankette, a disasterous design...

It may be best tank in WWI but not WW2. I think France hasn't make any design the new tank. Polish and French using it in World War 2. German Panther blew Renault easily and German captured them to many. French abandon it. Look...

I know their WW2 german uniform in this picture. And that rifle is Mauser. French just abandon Renault in WW2. But in my opition Renault is maybe better tank of World War I.

Fox

Actually in 1940 the best tanks were French. The Somua-35 and the Bis-1 were far better than anything the Germans or British had. France's error was not to group them in Armored divisions but to use them as infantry support. Had they done so they would have been able to blunt and even stop the German Blitzkreig.

As for the FT-17, I agree that its was totally obsolete for WWII but that doesnt qualify it as a 'piece of crap'. I suspect the intent of this thread (could be wrong) was unsuccessful designs. For example my suggestion of the Polish TKS Tankette wasnt obsolete, it was just too unarmored and undergunned. The FT-17 a WWI design, was better armed and armored.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Fox

Actually in 1940 the best tanks were French. The Somua-35 and the Bis-1 were far better than anything the Germans or British had. France's error was not to group them in Armored divisions but to use them as infantry support. Had they done so they would have been able to blunt and even stop the German Blitzkreig.

As for the FT-17, I agree that its was totally obsolete for WWII but that doesnt qualify it as a 'piece of crap'. I suspect the intent of this thread (could be wrong) was unsuccessful designs. For example my suggestion of the Polish TKS Tankette wasnt obsolete, it was just too unarmored and undergunned. The FT-17 a WWI design, was better armed and armored.

Another German advantage was that every German tank had a radio, while in the French army only command tanks had radios

Cant say for sure its the worst.
It sure is crap though.
M.11/39
Weight : 11.0 ton
Dimensions : 4.74 x 2.17 x 2.25 mt
Armor (max) : 30 mm
Range : 200 km
Speed (max - route) : 33 km/hr
Weapons : n.1 gun 37 mm + n.2 8.0 mm MG
Crew : 3

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Fox

Actually in 1940 the best tanks were French. The Somua-35 and the Bis-1 were far better than anything the Germans or British had. France's error was not to group them in Armored divisions but to use them as infantry support. Had they done so they would have been able to blunt and even stop the German Blitzkreig.

You're right about the French tanks being better than most of what the Germans had at the time and their lack of proper use in the French Army. However, even if they had grouped them into armoured divisions I still think the Germans would have outmanauvered them due to superior tactics and the element of surprise.

This would never have happened though due to the organisation of the French Army at the time, one of the key tenets being that the Maginot Line was impassible and that the Germans could never send armour through the Ardennes Region.

Well, WAad;s the French tactics on war against the Germans?