I would have a problem using the M203 on the Steyr anyway. There's yet another problem with the Steyr- there's no grip for the '203.

again i think this is more a problem for you rather than those who have used it on combat.

The max effective range for an m16 is 300 to 400 meters, with a section firing it will put accurate concentrated fire out to 600 meters. The M16 and the Steyr are both fine weapons, as I have said before the only thing that matters is that you are properly trained on the weapon you are firing.

I would have a problem using the M203 on the Steyr anyway. There's yet another problem with the Steyr- there's no grip for the '203.

The correct method to hold the weapon whilst firing the 203 is with your right hand around the hand/trigger guard of the Steyr, right index finger on the 203 trigger, and left hand supporting the 203 by the barrel. Should be fairly explanatory (positions reversed for left handers).


It really does seem like your clutching at straws buddy.

Face it, the AUG and the SA80 are not range weapons.

And the M-16 is?

Guess what, the M-16 and Steyr have the same barrel length, fire the same round, the Styer weighs 0.03 of a kilogram more, and guess what, they have the same effective range.

Source:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

300 meter range with a civilian (semi auto only) Steyr that my uncle owns

Not exactly a fountain of experience then are you. When I asked what experience have you had, I didn't mean a civi model on a civi range. I meant have you ever used a real one in mil conditions?

The bullpups had cramped quarters in mind when designed. Some can select which side the spent cartridges will be ejected.
It's really about tradeoff.
I personally prefer the regular type, but I think it is true that they need to get a bit shorter and adapt to the kind of warfare we're most likely to see from now on, stuff that happens under 100m.

If someone made a downward ejecting, ambidextrous bullpup, I'd say it'd need a very good looking into.

I started my service life using the Aussie FN FAL then converting to the Steyr.
Initially I hated the Steyr due to its compact size and being used to the longarm.
But now I really like and prefer the Steyr. Just passed my weapon re qual last week and only got back on the internet tonight to see this discussion.
All rifles if not looked after will jam. Yes some peopel hate the fron thand grip but I compromise but shooting with it folded forward, a throwback to my longarm days.
Love its accuracy, no dramas with the 203 and have carried it in the desert and back home in the bush.
M16A2 is fine but I hate the iron sites, the Steyr has spoiled me to some extent.
Using an M16a2 at JRTC in the US last year we manged to break the stocks on 2 of them! Steyrs are pretty robust but have heard of the cocking handles breaking.
Personnaly I like the steyr, but I do miss the days of the FN FAL. The old elephant gun did blow holes through most everything!
Cheers.

Yes the steyr is a fine weapon. I've seen 2 people break their cocking handles but the impact required wouldn't happen too often.

When i went through basic training we were told that the step down to 5.56mm was due to some mid 1960's convention upon where it was decided the 7.62mm round caused a too bigger fatality ratio(gonna get slammed for that). But it sort of makes sense, it takes more men to remove a wounded man from a fire fight then a dead one.

Only it was then discovered that the 5.56mm f1 ball round has a slightly hollow tip which makes it "tumble" into its targets, which one- can create an absoloutely gruesome exit wound and 2- can bounce around the innards of a target causing severe damage and possible exiting the body in a random location.

yeah, if you have ever seen anyone hit with a 5.56mm round, you will notice that sometimes it's very hard to find the exit wound. Sometimes people will catch one in the chest and it will come out around waist level.

yeah, if you have ever seen anyone hit with a 5.56mm round, you will notice that sometimes it's very hard to find the exit wound. Sometimes people will catch one in the chest and it will come out around waist level.

It's pretty much due to the technology of the round. The 5.56mm rounds are designed to in effect squash on impact and change direction within the body. The 7.62mm round was just a smash and grap tactic round. It relied on brute hitting power.

I heard that some 5.56 mm can fragment when it impacts the body, going all over the place, and causing nasty internal wounds because of the multiple fragments rip at several places in the body.and changing directions.

If love the Aug ull love or h8 this mean machine:
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~savv...r/DSCF0015.jpg
paste and click.
The extra wieght in the front with surely reduce the high recoli on the aug due to the lack of wieght in front.