Originally Posted by Cadet Airman Adam Seaman

I say the best is the M16 and the worst is the Styer.

no complaints here with the steyr...i thought it was a very nicely balanced weapon.

I say the best is the M16 and the worst is the Styer

Why do you think Australia got rid of the M-16 and SLR and got the Styer? Cos we're idiots? No. Clearly not. It's becuase it was a better weapon all round than the M-16. The M-16 is approx 40 years old.

What evidence have you got to back up your comment about the Styer? And have you ever fired either of them?

I've fired a Steyr and an SA80, and the only thing that has brought them down in my eyes is the bullpup design. (Well the Steyr, anyway, the SA80 just sucked overall).

And with all due respect, the M16 is not 40 years old. It's less than 10 in the latest incarnation, the A4...and if it ain't broken, why replace it?

so why don't you like the bullpup design?

personally i love it and have never had any problems with it....just curious.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

no complaints here with the steyr...i thought it was a very nicely balanced weapon.

Really I founmd it kind of light although I was impressed with its durability or perhaps I mean ruggedness.

I find the Styer to be a horrible weapon, do to it falling apart, and I just hate bullpup designed weapons.

The M-16 may be 40 years old but I shoots straight, shoots hard, very durable, and light.

Why do you think Australia got rid of the M-16 and SLR and got the Styer? Cos we're idiots? No. Clearly not. It's becuase it was a better weapon all round than the M-16. The M-16 is approx 40 years old.

What evidence have you got to back up your comment about the Styer? And have you ever fired either of them?

WHy do you think that more than 20 counties use the M16, including Canada and England.

Canada uses the C7 and C8 which are modified versions of the M16 and M4 designs, holland and denmark use these too as does the UK special forces. Singapore has also dropped the M16 developing there own bullpup rifle the SAR-21.

Originally Posted by Cadet Airman Adam Seaman

I find the Styer to be a horrible weapon, do to it falling apart, and I just hate bullpup designed weapons.

FALLING APART???? what the hell were you doing with it at the time????

well, as i said, i have no complaints with it and in fact i haven't even heard any complaints from friends who are still serving.

I find the Styer to be a horrible weapon, do to it falling apart, and I just hate bullpup designed weapons.

The M-16 may be 40 years old but I shoots straight, shoots hard, very durable, and light.

I work with Styers every damn day. Week in, week out. I have never seen mine (or anyone elses in my regiment) fall apart, or have issues with accuracy of fire.

What do you mean falling apart. Tell me how you reckon a Styer fell apart on you. I think you just don't like it, and are now attempting to justify your point of view.

From what you say, I don't think you've had ANY experience at all with Styers.

The design of the Styer is so SIMPLE it doesn't fall apart. It doesn't break. It doesn't malfunction with regularity, and it can be stripped without any tools at all. And component wise, it is made up of only 3 main parts, and 11 other parts (including firing pin, sling swivels etc).

I just don't think your at all justified in what your saying.

i concur with what nicks saying;

and i back it up with this;
http://www.steyr-aug.com/article.htm

my favourite quote from that article;

detect no major faults in the Steyr AUG system. All who participated in the SOF test and evaluation praised its balance and handling characteristics. It's a stunning triumph and complete vindication of the bullpup concept properly executed. In particular, the AUG 1.5x scope offers a true vision of the future. Hit probability and the speed of target acquisition are enhanced significantly by this sturdy carrying handle. You can expect to see more optics of this type on assault rifles of the future.

I would not hesitate to carry an AUG into battle

WHy do you think that more than 20 counties use the M16, including Canada and England.

probably because it's cheaper...but as we all know...cheaper doesn't often mean better