Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

I've seen them, I accidently met alot of friends that are in the PRC Army during my yearly visit, since the kungfu school I attend is right outside some army barracks. They have way mor than one type of tanks. They range from T-52s through T-90 They no longer buy weapons from Russia, they rather build their own versions. The later versions T-72 and up are refitted in China. They even try to mimic M1 Abrums style turrets on the new type 90's in CN

There is still a significant difference between appearance and actuall level of effectivness.

The best that China has atm is an upgunned T-72 version, they gave it a pimp new turret which still has relatively weak protection, the only real change is the indigenous gun which has superior stabilization to the notorious russian versions, at current time China has nothing even close to a modern MBT.

Also they base 90% of their tech on Russia because US and Europe refuses to sell them for obvious reasons so whatever they do get is purchased through private parties, spied out or retro-engineered.

Originally Posted by Rorke

There is still a significant difference between appearance and actuall level of effectivness.

The best that China has atm is an upgunned T-72 version, they gave it a pimp new turret which still has relatively weak protection, the only real change is the indigenous gun which has superior stabilization to the notorious russian versions, at current time China has nothing even close to a modern MBT.

Also they base 90% of their tech on Russia because US and Europe refuses to sell them for obvious reasons so whatever they do get is purchased through private parties, spied out or retro-engineered.

Actually you or I will not know the specs on the weapon systems because they keep there stuff secret from information mediums. In a way that is smart. That will always keep their enemy guesing. The very hard and demorallizing to fight an enemy with unknow tactics.

I doubt the chinese can produce anything in the league of the M1A2 right now. In a few years maybe.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

Actually you or I will not know the specs on the weapon systems because they keep there stuff secret from information mediums. In a way that is smart. That will always keep their enemy guesing. The very hard and demorallizing to fight an enemy with unknow tactics.

Yes we wont know exact specs but we know for example what cannon is it using, we know where did the hulls and armor plating came from, we also have some rudimentary info on the optics and misc, China doesnt have advanced military technology so knowing some facts its pretty safe to assume they're atm unable to pop out a modern MBT, for example we know given the technology transfers that their tanks are all equivalents of their soviet counterparts being based on them, atm China has nothing beyond T-72 though i'll admit it looks cool.

No when it comes to advanced materials and tech that is essential for this sort of stuff, the Chinese don't have it. Believe me, I don't live too far away from the whole metal industry and I can tell you the Chinese can produce simple things at very low prices but as far as the advanced things come, they can't touch it yet.

Originally Posted by Rorke

Yes we wont know exact specs but we know for example what cannon is it using, we know where did the hulls and armor plating came from, we also have some rudimentary info on the optics and misc, China doesnt have advanced military technology so knowing some facts its pretty safe to assume they're atm unable to pop out a modern MBT, for example we know given the technology transfers that their tanks are all equivalents of their soviet counterparts being based on them, atm China has nothing beyond T-72 though i'll admit it looks cool.

Well, don't put it passed them. Last year they fielded their own fighter Jet. It did not share designs with any other known jet fighter. They do have alot of T-80s. I saw them with my own eyes. You can't tell if you have not been in the country mingling with Chinese soldiers. You think they don't have tecknology, but thats your mistake. Yeah they are not currently equal to the US but they are getting there fast. While the US is slowing down due to a recession and general laziness The Chinese will surpase us. Things are cheap in China because they put low value on everything because they have the highest production and most qnantity.

what jet is that? the J-10? It shares alot with the Lavi and was probably copied with or wit out lisence.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

what jet is that? the J-10? It shares alot with the Lavi and was probably copied with or wit out lisence.

How would you know, did you help build it? Were you in the country at the time of the test flights. Do you have any friends in the Chinese military? Are you and expert on aviation?

How would you know, did you help build it? Were you in the country at the time of the test flights. Do you have any friends in the Chinese military? Are you and expert on aviation?

do a google for both planes, than a google for israel+china+arms sales.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

Well, don't put it passed them. Last year they fielded their own fighter Jet. It did not share designs with any other known jet fighter. They do have alot of T-80s. I saw them with my own eyes. You can't tell if you have not been in the country mingling with Chinese soldiers. You think they don't have tecknology, but thats your mistake. Yeah they are not currently equal to the US but they are getting there fast. While the US is slowing down due to a recession and general laziness The Chinese will surpase us. Things are cheap in China because they put low value on everything because they have the highest production and most qnantity.

Their own fighter jet is cute, it looks awesome and it uses a lot of the fulcrum modernisation package so while its an effective modern fighter its still nothing special, the bulk of their airforce consists of antiquated aircraft.

As for their tanks, they do not have T-80s as such, they have equivalents of indigenous design but still subpar to soviet designs ( not to mention western ones ).

How do we know ? Like i said we have specifics on their equipment, not all but enough of it, if you want start a new discussion i'll post images and sources to all i can find online, i agree China is modernizing fast but they're a long long way away from being a modern military and their tank force quite frankly sucks.