World Tank Ranking - Page 10




 
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November 27th, 2008  
BritinAfrica
 
 
It is a constant battle in warfare to upgrade and keep one step ahead of ones enemy. Whatever armour, weapon or protection is designed, someone somewhere is going to design a counter measure. As I said before, terrorists are not idiots, they will adapt tactics to suit most if not all situations. They will continuously seek out weak spots and then take advantage of those spots. History has shown time and time again, guerrilla and terrorist warfare are of the hardest forms of warfare to counter and overcome.

Again, I will say, “Never underestimate anyone, you WILL come a cropper.”

You wont get an apology Sherman, I've meet his type all too often during my service.
November 27th, 2008  
Rorke
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Lisaten, RHS is RHS, these RPGS were captured and tested and when I say 700mm RHS I base it on very good info. I obviously cant show you a source but trust me.
Could you please name the warhead which achieves this fantastic claims ? I mean i heard about this from various russian sites and magazines but quite frankly its iffy.

November 27th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
PG-7VR. 700mm after reactive armor. The RPG-29 dose 750mm.
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November 27th, 2008  
Rorke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
PG-7VR. 700mm after reactive armor. The RPG-29 dose 750mm.
7VR is given an "over 600mm after reactive armor" and thats optimal conditions which mean both optimal range and stationary target and a 'frontal' hit.

These conditions are virtually impossible to attain in a combat situation where a target will often be either at an angle or both at an angle and at motion.

http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl02-e.htm

So again typical russian crap, unless you achieve a 90 degree hit and optimal range ( approximately 100 meters ) and the target will be hit square on at such angle then yes your tandem warhead will penetrate however the greater the angle the less penetration so i stand my ground that in combat conditions you can shoot dozens of 7VR warheads at virtually every side of a modern MBT and the tank wont even stop.

What the russians did not mention is that hitting sloped armor generally causes the warhead to change the impact angle which is the reason why it has so very little use against modern tanks, nominal penetration values mean squat ( and none of them is 700mm either ).
November 27th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
listen, all penetration figures are given at very certain angles. Usually we are talking 60 degrees. I cannot give you sources as I dont have them here, and if I did I couldent post them. Ive read countless intell reports about all AT weapons made in Russia and used by Hezballah and Syria. The point I was making to beguin with is that any HEAT weapon is a threat to any vhiecle.Some are better some are worse. Ive seen the penetration results in the war and trust me the RPG 29 is a nasty little bugger.
November 27th, 2008  
Rorke
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
listen, all penetration figures are given at very certain angles. Usually we are talking 60 degrees. I cannot give you sources as I dont have them here, and if I did I couldent post them. Ive read countless intell reports about all AT weapons made in Russia and used by Hezballah and Syria. The point I was making to beguin with is that any HEAT weapon is a threat to any vhiecle.Some are better some are worse. Ive seen the penetration results in the war and trust me the RPG 29 is a nasty little bugger.
Well then i agree any AT weapon can be potentially damaging, hell even a PIAT could given certains statistical odds put out a tanks engine or tracks, its just that its rather unlikely.
November 27th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
yes but when the insurgents shoot from top floor of houses into the top of the tank, or from 20 meters at known weakness spots...
November 28th, 2008  
Bacara
 
 
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Originally Posted by HokieMSG
The Russians did a lot for tank development but not nearly as much as the Germans. The Russians had 2 things going for them that the Germans did not, 1. Manpower. 2. Resources. The Russians had plenty of both and used them to overwhelm the Germans.

Most of the German development was based on Guderians wirtings on the Blitzkrieg. Basically Guderian did a study of why British and American tanks were so successful against the Germans in WWI. Guderian developed tactics to counter the mass assaults preferred by the Allies. Tank development was based on tank specifications outlined by Guderian in Actung Panzer. Once tank specifications were set, Guderian pushed to have the other supporting arms mechanized (in the case of artillery) and motorized (in the case of the infantry). To be able to exploit the break throughs envisioned by Guderian. The whole time he was developing this, he was fighting the General Staff to allow armored formations to operate independant of the infantry. The GS wanted to use the British model and use the tank as an infantry support weapon. Basically Guderian developed the first combined arms tactics manual and used it in Poland, France and Russia. In Poland and France to great effect. Even though Hitler was sticking his nose where it didn't belong as early as France (Dunkirk) then even more during the Russian Campaign.
no most german generals, including guderian hated the tiger and pather, prefering the mark 4, they were slow, unreliable, costly, and OVER engineered, simpler is always better.
November 28th, 2008  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
yes but when the insurgents shoot from top floor of houses into the top of the tank, or from 20 meters at known weakness spots...
Exactly my point. During WW2 there was a Hawker Hurricane variant known as the "tank buster" fitted with a 40mm anti tank gun under each wing. She decimated Afrika Korps tanks.

As for the PIAT, my dad was trained on the damn thing, he reckoned they were more of a danger to the user then the enemy.
November 28th, 2008  
Rorke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
yes but when the insurgents shoot from top floor of houses into the top of the tank, or from 20 meters at known weakness spots...
Thats why Lord gave you infantry escort.