WINNER OF WW2




 
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October 30th, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 

Topic: WINNER OF WW2


Who do you think won world war 2 and why?
October 30th, 2004  
Trevor
 
The allies as a whole. You can't say that there was one country that won WWII. Each played their part.
October 30th, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
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Originally Posted by Trevor
The allies as a whole. You can't say that there was one country that won WWII. Each played their part.
That point could be disproved. Did germany have that much power by 1944? when the "Glorious D-Day landing" happen did germany even try to put up a fight? Most of the army was deployed in the east and was crushed
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October 30th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
USSR, UK, USA, France, China and their allies.

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That point could be disproved. Did germany have that much power by 1944? when the "Glorious D-Day landing" happen did germany even try to put up a fight? Most of the army was deployed in the east and was crushed
Not the question you asked of course, but I understand what you are saying. I'll have to respond, but I'm too busy at the moment.
October 30th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004
That point could be disproved. Did germany have that much power by 1944? when the "Glorious D-Day landing" happen did germany even try to put up a fight? Most of the army was deployed in the east and was crushed
Tell that to the thousands of allied soldiers who lost their lives During D-day and beyond. The fact it took 10 months from D-Day until VE day shows Germany had bit of fight lef tin her.
October 30th, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
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Originally Posted by Doody
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Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004
That point could be disproved. Did germany have that much power by 1944? when the "Glorious D-Day landing" happen did germany even try to put up a fight? Most of the army was deployed in the east and was crushed
Tell that to the thousands of allied soldiers who lost their lives During D-day and beyond. The fact it took 10 months from D-Day until VE day shows Germany had bit of fight lef tin her.
Yes she had something left in her...Back across the front in the east and sitting in Berlin
October 30th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Most Likly if you had to pick 2 absolute winners it would be Russia and America, They came out as the two world powers, Britian had been damaged beyound repair to reclaim thier title and France had been invaded one to many times. Russia and America had also built up legenedary armies during world Ww2, Like The American Airfroce which is said to have had around 20,000 aircraft and the Military which had reportadly 9 Million men in service, not counting reserves.
October 30th, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
My question is who REALLY won the war (dont give me that allies stuff) and why?
October 30th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Victory Over Germany and Italy:
70% USSR
15% USA
15% UK + the British Empire
0.0000001% France

Victory Over Japan:
55% USA
30% China
5% USSR (1939 USSR soundly defeats an attempted Japanese invasion)
10% mixture of UK, Australia, India and a long list of other contributors

You have to be careful with the thought process that the USSR could have won it completely on their own. For one, the Soviet Union was saved from a total disaster by Hitler's meddling in 1941. It could have gone very badly for the Soviets right there.

The USA sent craploads of material to the USSR. It is my belief that even though this constitutes only 10-15% of the material the Soviet Union used, it was enough of an edge to help them manage to turn the tide. Russia was a difficult place to reach, but the USA and UK did the best they could to help out the USSR any way they could. Because the UK was in it as of the beginning of Barbarossa, there was a lot of production focussed on the U-boat Wolfpacks that could have been focussed on the USSR. The bombing campaign by the USA and the UK was more useful for diverting German production and attention than actually destroying German industry, but that diversion was that much more focus that the USSR didn't have to deal with. Maintaining a strong defense force against amphibious invasion throughout the war also diverted manpower and industry that could have been focussed solely on the USSR.

Give credit where credit is due -- the USSR turned the tide on the Eastern Front mostly going it alone. The USA and UK bombed a lot and most of that bombing campaign was sold to their citizens as being a helluva lot more effective than it actually was. The USSR pushed the Germans back with a terrible price in blood, resources and devastation to their nation.
October 30th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Yes but if it was not for those supplies, the bombings and the D-Day Invasion The USSR would have eventualy fell. D-Day wasn't planned in Hitlers Perfect plan so he realy didn't think he would have had to move the troops aroud so drasticly.