WINNER OF WW2 - Page 9




 
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November 1st, 2004  
Hegario
 
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Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004
that and the fact that stalin did not want GB and US to get there before them
In a sense that is true, but the allies had already agreed at the Yalta conference that Berlin should go to the Russians as a prize of war. However Stalin the sceptic was worried that the western allies would back out of that promise.
November 1st, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
speaking of not coming thru on a deal, stalin also hoped that if he goes any farther he could snatch it also
November 1st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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As far as the Yalta agreement, isn't it interesting that Stalin did indeed come through on handing over the agreed portions of Berlin to UK, USA and France.
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November 1st, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
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As far as the Yalta agreement, isn't it interesting that Stalin did indeed come through on handing over the agreed portions of Berlin to UK, USA and France.
A big reason for that may have been the fact that the Soviets hadn't developed their own nuke at that time. I also happen to believe that Stalin did not want any further war - he had wanted to end the war with the Nazis as early as January 1943.
November 1st, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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November 1st, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
It is believed by russian historians that while D-Day relieved pressure russia could take germany alone
November 1st, 2004  
Snauhi
 
D-day was usless itself because Red Army could grab hole nazi country them selfs, the only reason why D-day was made was that Allies dint want to give France to SU.
November 1st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004
It is believed by russian historians that while D-Day relieved pressure russia could take germany alone
"Believed" by Russian Historians? No, its completely obvious to any historian. The USSR could have done it without D-Day. It simply ended the war more quickly by opening the extra front.

Now whether they could have done it without any help at all -- supplies shipped to Archangel, bombing campaign and production focussed on the Atlantic coastal defense and U-boat campaign -- that is another matter. It's doubtful.
November 12th, 2004  
Kirill K
 

Topic: USSR WON, SO ALL U RUSSIAN'S BE PROUD


U ask me who won WW2? Lol. it was pretty obvious that the USSR did all of the major parts. Think back when the allies were being crushed, Germans send most of their army to the USSR front, the Germans knew that they can hold of the UK and French fronts so tehy switched to attack the USSR. It was an unexpected attack which cause the USSR to lose a lot of their army.
1. USSR didnt have the weapons like the Germans (Machine guns, chlorine gas, panzer tanks) and were unprepared to fight.
2.The USSR side didnt have any tanks or weapons to fight with right away.(so most of it fell under German control)
3. Stalin believed that Hitler would keep his promise and his treaty, althought the USSR intelligence told them that there will be an attack upcoming.
4. After the first launched attack , Stalin couldn't believe wut has happened, and went to his private home and stayed there for a week before getting his mind together and went to Moscow.

When the Germans were coming up to Stalingrad, this was the battle of all ages. If they took control of it, then the supply lines would be destroyed on the Stalingrad river, and it would be an attomatic loss for both the allies, because after they had USSR under control they could do anything in a big area such as USSR had.

Another thing USSR intelligence did was they stopped the Germans from making the A-Bomb, by stealing the files from the German scientist, and i believe they killed him as well. It would have been an even worse masacure if they didnt prevent them from such a thing.

Plus the German panzer army were to take Moscow and were 50 km before reaching the city. When they got attacked by surprise by Snipers and regular Men from Sebir. there were 8 of them that survived, and guess wut? Only eight of them stopped the German panzer tanks from reachin the Moscow city. (think about it 8 men destroyed a panzer tank army).

Also after the an elite army was fromed in the North, the USSR's drove the Germans back to where they came from. and where were the UK FRENCH and USA then?? They were barely recovering from wut they had to go through, and barely held that one front. after the USSR's got to Germany they all rushed to get to Berlin first, but wut were they doing before when USSR needed help on their front. 3 countries couldn't hold off one front, which makes it pathetic. This proves that USSR lost its men and women to crush the Germans and take the WHOLE EUROPE BACK.

One more thing . why didnt anyone like French or Uk or USA say some when Germans took over Poland, where were their fu|<in treaty then, if they would have said some maybe it would be so bad as it was.
WE LOST OVER 28 MILLION SOLDIERS AND U FU<ING CRY THAT U LOST 100 THOUSAND, WELL HOW WOULD U FEEL IF UR COUNTRY LOST 28 FU,IN MILLION SOLDIERS, AND HALF OF UR COUNTRY WAS DESTROYED. IT WOULD COST A LOT TO REBUILD RIGHT? DID USA SUFFER COMPLETE DESTRUCTION?? NO SO THEY SHOULDNT BE TALKIN SHIT IF THEY WERENT IN A POSITION LIKE THE USSR'S(RUSSIAN'S).

MOST OF UR COUNTRIES HAS NO HISTORY , ONLY SMALL BULSHIT THAT IS USELESS TO LEARN. THE REAL WINNER ARE USSR'S ALL OTHER COUNTRIES PUT TOGETHER DIDNT LOSE AS MANY SOLDIERS AS USSR SO SIT TIGHT AND DONT TALK.
November 12th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
Kirrill K you are right that the Soviet Union contributed the biggest part in defeating Nazi Germany. But a cold hard fact is that they could not have done it without the USA/UK Lend-Lease agreement.

However, a lot of your information is incorrect. The Red Army did have machine guns and they had *more* and *better* tanks than the Wehrmacht at the start of Barbarossa. The Germans had nothing to compare with the Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks in 1941. I'm not aware also that the Germans used chlorine gas in WW2, at least not on the battlefield. A link to back up this claim would be appreciated.

Stalin was so sure that Hitler would never attack him and of course he was shocked when Hitler did. His Armies were collapsing and shattering under the German onslaught and who can blame him for being initially paralaysed - your whole country was. But never forget Stalin saved Moscow and therefore your nation in 1941 with his stirring speech on November 7th and his decision to move Zhukov's 25 Siberian Divisions west that drove the Wehrmacht back and very nearly shattered them.

The Battle of Stalingrad was not as decisive a battle as once believed, although it was (along with Kursk) a true turning point of WW2.

Which Panzer Army was destroyed by 8 men? I find that hard to believe and again a link would be nice.

The West does indeed owe a huge debt to the Soviet Union for defeating Nazi Germany but the other Allies did contribute as well.