Will United States defend Taiwan against Chinese invasion? - Page 4




 
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August 28th, 2004  
Lil Hulk 1988
 

Topic: Taiwan....


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Which Marine division is In Okinawa btw?
3rd Division....

As for the Chinese taking Korea or having the advanced weapons, that is fine, but if it was not for the US consumer economy, there would not be any money in China. Pull out the companies supplying the West and there isn't anything left. There is not enough infastructure within China to support the economy plus the lack of consumerism creats a vacuum without the West. All this coming from an American that is married to a Chinese Immigrant.
August 28th, 2004  
SAINT
 
Because of different ideology, people will kill each other... even those of similar race. Ideology can either unite former enemies (like Japan is US ally -- but enemies in WW2. Germany is ally now though Germany in WW2 was an enemy).

so I think China will just invade and kill Taiwanese without any guilty conscience because Taiwan has a different political ideology from China.

anyway, invasion or threat of invasion is wrong. 8)
August 28th, 2004  
proteinxx
 
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August 28th, 2004  
SAINT
 
Sorry pal.. I'm not a communist.

Aren't you a communist?
August 28th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 

Topic: Re: Taiwan....


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Originally Posted by Lil Hulk 1988
As for the Chinese taking Korea or having the advanced weapons, that is fine, but if it was not for the US consumer economy, there would not be any money in China. Pull out the companies supplying the West and there isn't anything left. There is not enough infastructure within China to support the economy plus the lack of consumerism creats a vacuum without the West. All this coming from an American that is married to a Chinese Immigrant.
Exactly the point I was making as well. If China provoked a closure of US and European markets, they would collapse their fledgelng economy. I don't think they are ready for that kind of outcome, hardline Communist Party members or not. Even the hardliners should know better. I doubt they'll be stupid enough to make such a move until they feel that they have surpassed the West and that's a long ways off ATM.
August 28th, 2004  
Sea_Cadet
 
I don't care about the politics of the thing, Taiwan deserves independence, and the threat of Mainland China invading is ever present if we do not defend Taiwan there will be hell to pay across the board. Not juts in the US most likely the president would be impeached, European nations would mobilize and after a year the UN would probably ratify a War resolution which requires a certain number of nations to fight I believe. But Many European nations would mobilize, the coalition would be huge and I believe we might have to invade the mainland in order to be successful.

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Originally Posted by GuyontheRight
Well, our Army is In no position to help, but luckily the struggles of the Middle East keep are Navy preety bored, and you may remember we held large scale Navel Excercises (RotP) In the Pacific this summer, I think we had 7 CBGs In all, quite a force. China, with luck, will have a hard time taking the Island, so militarilly, we could move our Fleets from japan over there. Politically though, I doubt anyone will oppose China, that is unless we had a man like Bush In office.
ok I don't think this would happen, because our navy is being downsized, when Taiwan would be attacked we'd mobilize our navy bringing up new sailors, we would have a long time to get ready because a shakedown cruise on a ship that had only been put in the reserve fleet for a year takes awhile to be overhauled.

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August 28th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Fun to read your posts.

Get this straight:

1. No matter what, if taiwan does independence, it is war. Point.

2. China will not lose the war, China has all means to take taiwan, if things turn urgly during the war, sorry taiwanese, there will be nukes put in, like USA did in Japan. Of course not hot nukes, just neutron mini nukes to take out any large-scale resistance.

3. Taiwan is taken, USA sactions come, then China collapse? Give me a break to laugh, China was blocked after Korea War by almost ALL Western, so what? China still OK, nobody will die from hunger, and the Communist leaders still drive in Big Cars and live in Villa's, they don't give a dammn sh*t about sanction.

4. If Western get crazy with sanctions, OK, China will get crazy too, massive production of all kinds Nukes, flooding all mini nukes plus hot nukes to ALL Western enemies (there are a lot of them in the world). So happy every one.

5. Saint: we start to know more and more about Singpaporens now. To take on you, very easy, we sell nukes to Indonesia and Malaysia, we can missile nukes to Sigpapore city in 2 hours, finish you in 2 hours, happy? Don't be mad, if China is able to assure MAD (you know what MAD means?), then nobody can really bully China at all.

6. Last month, Chinese government has announced that they will put MORE money in strategic weapons to assure more MAD, preparing for the ugliest to come. Think about USSR with those nukes, USA didn't dare to confront USSR at all, simply because it is suicide to do that.

Don't think you always have the upper-hand, Korea War and Vietnam War all have proven what is a paper tiger

Give peace a chance, don't push too hard, before it is TOO late
August 29th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Well, consider how well the UN did coming to the aid of Tibet. I think that gives some idea how it would play out if China does invade Taiwan. IMHO, the Korean Conflict was the one and only time that the UN will ever approve any military action anywhere near China.

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3. Taiwan is taken, USA sactions come, then China collapse? Give me a break to laugh, China was blocked after Korea War by almost ALL Western, so what? China still OK, nobody will die from hunger, and the Communist leaders still drive in Big Cars and live in Villa's, they don't give a dammn sh*t about sanction.
So China's all caught up now? Wow, that was quick. Last I checked, China was still about 10-15 years behind every other developed country in technology and industrial development. The standard of living in China ranks lower than many third world countries. The US and Japan still have greater economic output even though both have only a tiny fraction of China's population.

If China is in such a hurry to start WW3 over a tiny island that hasn't been under their control to any degree for almost 60 years, I'd say that's pretty damned reckless and stupid. If China wanted to start it all now, they'll lose. If they're smart enough to wait, they'd win.
August 29th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
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Give peace a chance, don't push too hard, before it is TOO late
Your the ones considering invading Taiwan, so don't tell me about "giving peace a chance".
August 29th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
No, the US would be in the wrong for aiding the aggresser, Taiwan, for declareing independence.

or at least that's the supposed logic.