Will there be a WW3 and who may be invloved??

Will there be a WW3 and who may be invloved??

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There is only one religion that is in any position to be the focal point in any World War III scenario and that's Islam. Islam is too disunified to pull it off. Tribal rivalries and National rivalries would ruin it for them. Also, Islam vs the world doesn't really stand a chance. For one thing, consider the list of mostly Muslim nations with very advanced technology? I can't think of any. Lets consider their rival religions and comparative numbers for a moment. Christianity, Hinduism and Judaism numerically combined would have a 2 to 1 numeric advantage and an obvious technological advantage. That's not even factoring the rest of the world into it.

I don't think religion will be the primary focus of WW3, at least under current circumstances.
 
You forgot about the Mahdi again. They,re not going to unify by themsleves.

Yes other religions outnumber them, but then again other religions arent producing the amount of radical extremist they seem to be producing.

Beside I don't think they are stupid enough to start a war without some decent type of tech upgrade. I think the lessons of both the gulf war and the Iraq war thought them that, if they're stupid that's all the better.

To give an analogy; there was no way Germany could have won WWII given the combined might an superiority of of the Allies, but still how much damage did Hitler do? The point is the war got started, and it still is the most devestating war in world history.
 
Islam isn not in a good position to win such a war right now. The Mahdi (if you believe that such a thing exists) has his work cut out for him -- unifying an endless list of peoples that absolutely hate each other, getting the world of Islam caught up technologically and finding a way to win against overwhelming odds. A lot would have to change before Islam can really be a significant threat to the rest of the world outside of terrorism.
 
I have been saying this all along, rigth now there is NO way the Mulsims will win such a war, right now. And yes the Mahdi will have his work cut out for him.

But you have to remember what kind of a position was Germany in prior to WWII. Limited army, limited weapons, bankrupt, politically factionalize country (the same could be said about the Islamic world, except the part about being bankrupt). It took a dicated madman with a vission to galvanize and make the country a force to be reconed with.

Hilter wasn't stupid he knew he wasn't going to win any war fighting the same old way, he listened to guys who had good ideas. If the Mahdi were smart, and I think anyone who gets to a position as scuh will be too, he will listen to guys with better ideas of fighting.

As far as the Mahdi goes, like I said I really don't believe in him, but thats not the point whether you or I believe in him doesn't matter. The point is, most of the Islamic world does.
 
"It seems like you have to be a registrated member to watch the movie from Fox-News" :? EDITED BY MYSELFE: :D

Look at following movie - Swedes Struggle With Immigrants - and you will all see that I am not BS anybody when it comes to Sweden. :(

I found It LINK:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html

gladius wrote:

Doc.S,

Now really get a clear picture of why you want to move outa there.
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Well yes sir it is like this for the moment: :)

Talking in radio:

- This is swe citizen attachment unit 5, repeat , message, swe citizen attachment unit 5, repeat! Over to you over. I dont understand, do we go south?

Voice from somewhere else:

- East, South and North are under enemy controll.

Response:

- Ok, Ok but what´s the order?

Voice from somewhere else:

- Good luck to you..... And get the hell out of there.

Response:

- Why didn´t you say so in the first place?

:lol:

gladius when you as a swe citizen pics something like this up to the surface you only hear statics and Hail Hitler. No mather if the proof and the reality is on your side in such a Liberal place that I am living in. You seems to be a expert on this Mahdi gladius and I am glad that someone do understand that this fellow is like the return of christ for the christians. Even if I think that Christ probably dont start a world conflict if he should return. But this Mahdi is of a different caliber if I have understand things correct over here, it is like compare a 50.cal with a 7.62mm machinegun.

Alot of christians belive in a second comming of christ and I can only imagine how many Islamists that would follow this guy even if he is not a genuin Mahdi so to speak. The two religions are very different in that way that Christians over here at-least have changed and moved on to fit in to our socity and the values of tolerans is on a whole different level and that is a fact. The Middle East and people moving out from that place have another relation to their religion then we have. They have not changed it to a new testiment. They have not even tried to assimilate the Arab community to been integrated into Swedish society.

I can say that they are the only ones that have built up their own culture in my country. Even if their culture is far from our laws, our vision of tolerance and our way of life when it comes to almost everything in our sociaty. That is also a fact. They are sending their children down to the middle east or africa you name it for Koran school rather then putting their children in to swedish schools and when they can´t do that they have them in special free schools so their children a large part of them and then I am talking about the majority over here will never in any generational step get assimilated in to our socity.

Well I say the Liberals have misscalculated the whole event because what I can read, hear and see this Liberal multi cultural experiment seems to look like the Apr - Aug 1915 Dardenelles/ Gallipoli attempts. They succed to get the people in to the country and partialy help them out but then unfortunately the success was not followed up and the mission was a failure. They have underastimated there advisary and I think Beyond Belief by author Naipaul V.s have proven this time after time in his book. I am not quite as optimistic as alot of the guys over here when it comes to this ww3 issue because I look into this like this. Communism have opend the doors of Socialism and it´s turn it have opend the way for Islam.

Every war have to be triggerd or started right. WW1 1914 Assassination of Franz Ferdinand WW2 August 31 1939 the raid on the radio station at Gleiwitz. But this war will probably start on a different level. I don´t see any conventional warfair in the beginning. I can see small pockets of extremism that spreads from all directions, from the right to the left and all ends up in a civil war as it did in the Balkans but this one with even more pain and suffering because the attack will start from the inside from all directions - not a three party war this will be so many more.

I have a hard time to see our military in any preventive actions at all (all our best troops are in africa or in Bosnia or in Afghanistan) when our gov is as liberal as they are. They will flee the country faster then a flock of wild gooses and then they will try with diplomatic solutions untill they fail again. You dont need anything moore then a knife to kill your enemy. You can use sticks and stones if so and one more thing is that a great number of these extremist over here got military experiance and education how to operate military equipment and are often good in hand-to-hand fighting.

My landlord is a christian Syrian a former commando with experiances from their special forces and the artillery. I dont doupt what he told me. Many of his countrymen and he´s negibours have weapons training and I would like to see our drafted military fight such men with permission from our gov. Forget it so High-tech weapons is it no problem to capture if you want more firepower then the AK5. Problem is that people dont understand this and this is as I can see it a good reason for be on its guard and never take this instable peace for granted.

That would be a terrible misstake. Oh did I mentioned that my landlord is also a biological scientist? Well thats tru he fleed Syria because he didnt want to be sent over to the Soviet Union and placed in a biological warfair facility after the military. It is not matter of hope we are living in over here, it is a matter of time if you ask me. :)

Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:
 
Didn't the Catholics try to do some Holy War's before.....I thought the Muslims did too fe hundre years ago. That ended nicly.
 
Can anybody say Ukraine? They are on the verge of civil war, Russian involvement is inevitable and European/American involvement not far behind.
 
I have a little poll on Military News if it can help - But there seems to be very few people knowing anything about the crisis to be honest?

Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:
 
Ukraine is on the verge of a Cival war if something is not done. They could sart a WW3, America,Europeon, and Rusian Involvement along with terrororist going agianst them.
 
The Crusades were so back and forth that you cannot blame it all on one side. I really elieve we are already fighting a World War, but it could be escalated with Sweeden and Ukraine. I also find it ironic that Osama Bin Laden called Sweeden a Freer country than the USA.
 
I never heard that quote either, However I find that interesting. It will probably one day be refered as a World War concerning the war on terror. The world is involved in the war.
 
He said something like that in his video before the election. It was like, you say I fight against freedom. If that were so, why do I not attack Sweeden. After all, it is a much freer country. If you look over the speech you will find it. It all had to do with insulting Bush.
 
I don't know, its hard for me to see the world going to war over the Urkraine, it could happen but the chances are slim. Taiwan the odds are a little higher but again the chances are also slim. I think cooler heads will prevail when it comes to the world powers. I think they are sane enough to NOT take it to levels of catastrophic consequences.

For a world war to occur you will have to have an absolute dictator with enough resources, and this dictator has to be either be a mad man, or have an absolute mandate to start the war, or both.

Its the basic law of: Cause and Effect.

No cause no effect. Its the law of the universe.

To start a war of overwhelming consequences, you must have an overwhelming cause and the will to see it through.

Most of the world right now seems to be sane enough to want to promote the global economy (even China) of countries gaining influence through economic gain rather than war. There is only one area of the world where there are very influencial forces fighting against this.

Doc.S said:
"It seems like you have to be a registrated member to watch the movie from Fox-News" :? EDITED BY MYSELFE: :D

Look at following movie - Swedes Struggle With Immigrants - and you will all see that I am not BS anybody when it comes to Sweden.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html

I'm glad you found the link, you also must have found the part to watch the video, i'm sure. You DON'T have to be registered at all to watch it.

But like you were saying about your Syrian neighbors countrymen who were all trained in using AK's and such. Here in the West (in Europe especially), growing up, we are taught not to use violence, that it doesn't solve anything, ect. We are taught to reason with one another and to be civil. Not so with Middle Eastern and Islamic culture, where they grow up with a mentality of a sort of tribal warrior culture. Most of them are ready to fight as is, with this kind of mentality growing up, which is part of their culture. To take it to the next step which is to fight a war, is not to big a step for them to take. Compare that with our culture where in war is a big step, individually speaking.
 
If I were a leader of one of these extremists groups, I would be trying my best to cause trouble in Ukraine, Taiwan, and any other hotspot to cause discension among the Western Allies. I think that their main plan now is exactly that, to split us all apart and pick us off one by one. We have to unite or we will fall.
 
The link works all fine, thank you gladius, and I hope more people will look at this movie because it is the true face of this country. :)

Maybe this can refresh everybodys memory, this is Usama talking about sweden in one of his most recent messages. ;)

Excerpts from Usama bin Ladin's speech

Saturday 30 October 2004, 2:05 Makka Time, 23:05 GMT

"O American people, I am speaking to tell you about the ideal way to avoid another Manhattan, about war and its causes and results. "Security is an important foundation of human life and free people do not squander their security, contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not attack Sweden for example.
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LINK:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8BAF429F-BADD-40E2-AD66-712FCF7D7A95.htm

Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:
 
There is some strange messages coming from Al Queda about a truce recently. This makes no sense to me, first we are the Great Satan who must all perish, now we should be business partners. Aesop said...

Enemies promises were made to be broken.

These promises though seemingly enticing will probably sooner or later cause us to all split. When we do this we will be ripe for them to take us all. Aesop was the man who also penned the phrase...

United we stand, Divided we fall.
 
He's trying to appear sympathetic, civil, in other words- he's trying to prove they're people too. Not only to make his cause seem "romantic" to muslims, but also give pacifist, like many euro leaders, a shining hope that they can indeed, strike a deal and survive.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
- Prime Minister Winston Churchill
 
Makes sense though, It at least proves he is no idiot. Trying to get other world leaders to help him or at least stay out of the war to give himself a chance.
 
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