This Will Make You Sick - Pics of guns being destroyed

5.56X45mm said:
Dear Lord, WHY!!!!!!!

So many brand new conditioned Tokarevs and Makarovs. I hate liberal anti-gun nuts everywhere.

http://ueba.net/hosted_pages/Mass-Destruction-of-Weapons-20060608
Click to expand...


So you contend that this is caused by Estonian anti-gun liberls?

Nothing in the link you posted indicated a "liberal" involvement or are you twisted enough to think that only a liberal would destroy a gun?

Seriously your lack of objectivity and desire to blame everything anytime anywhere on "liberals" really makes it difficult to take you seriously and if the destruction of a few pistols (and like it or not in the scheme of things that was only a few weapons) makes you sick then I really think your priorities are majorly screwed up given everything else that goes on in this world.
 
Hmmm.... I sell firearms, I build firearms, I carry firearms.

It's how I'm able pay my bills.

And I'm not stating that Estonia is anti-gun liberals. I'm stating that some anti-gun liberal moron destroyed a perfectlly good pistol.

Gee, it cost miney to destroy firearms. Hey, I got an idea. Why not sell them and make a profit off them. The money could be used to fund the education system or maybe help those that need medical insurance.

There is five hundered pistols per box. Let's see, most of these pistols in their current condition would go for something around $200 (USA) for each Makarov and $400 (USA) for each Tokarev. Gee, I wonder how much that is? Hmmm.....

$200,000.00 (USA) per box of TT-33 Tokarev Pistol
$100,000.00 (USA) per box of Makarov Pistol

Now is those photos, there are a ton opf those cases. Why destory a a source of income that could further support your economy?

Firearms are artwork to some and also a source of income to others. To me they're both.
 
5.56X45mm said:
Hmmm.... I sell firearms, I build firearms, I carry firearms.

It's how I'm able pay my bills.

And I'm not stating that Estonia is anti-gun liberals. I'm stating that some anti-gun liberal moron destroyed a perfectlly good pistol.
Click to expand...

What exactly is this based on?
From my point of view there is no information given as to why the weapons are being destroyed.

Gee, it cost miney to destroy firearms. Hey, I got an idea. Why not sell them and make a profit off them. The money could be used to fund the education system or maybe help those that need medical insurance.
Click to expand...

Yeah maybe the Palestinian Authority could use a few hell I am sure there are countless shady groups worldwide that would pay for them but then if you own an item you have the right to decide what you do with them and oddly enough destroying them is one option.

Firearms are artwork to some and also a source of income to others. To me they're both.
Click to expand...

Thats nifty however these are mass produced general purpose weapons not hand crafted specialist items lets try and put some perspective and reality into the discussion shall we.

So to me rather than making me "sick" to see a "gun" destroyed it really just rates as a "meh whatever" simply because I am sure the Estonian military and police force arent getting rid of much needed weaponry so that they can run around with sticks shouting "bang your dead" and are infact disposing of outdated, unusable or just surplus items.
 
Well, the only bad thing is, I would've paid for the shipping if only they had called me and asked if I wanted these guns first! It would've been cheaper than destroying them!
 
I guess you don't collect firearms.

A simple TT-33 Tokarev might be a piece of crap to you. But to others. They are works of art.

The TT-33 has some designs in it from John Browning (God of the gun makers). The Pistol fought against the Germans hordes during WWII and were later used by some against their own communist governments in Afghanistan. It's a great home defense gun and also something good for the truck.

The Makarov is a simple but classic design. A clear copy off the Walther PP series pistol. It's an officers' pistol but also makes a great CCW gun. Affordable to those that can't buy a Sig Sauer or Heckler & Koch. The caliber is a pretty powerful round for something of it's size.


Now Monty, where do you live. Is it in an area that you aren't allowed by your local or national government to own firearms? Do you own any firearms? Do you depend on the government to protect you?

By destorying those pistols. Someone took the ability for someone else to defend themselves. The people of Darfur could really use those pistols for self defense against the Islamic butchers. But the UN wont allow the victims to arm themselves in self defense.

History is the best teacher. By disarming the people, the governm,ent can kill them or allow someone to do it.

Nazis, Communists, and Murderers agree. Gun Control works.
 
5.56X45mm said:
I guess you don't collect firearms.

A simple TT-33 Tokarev might be a piece of crap to you. But to others. They are works of art.

The TT-33 has some designs in it from John Browning (God of the gun makers). The Pistol fought against the Germans hordes during WWII and were later used by some against their own communist governments in Afghanistan. It's a great home defense gun and also something good for the truck.

The Makarov is a simple but classic design. A clear copy off the Walther PP series pistol. It's an officers' pistol but also makes a great CCW gun. Affordable to those that can't buy a Sig Sauer or Heckler & Koch. The caliber is a pretty powerful round for something of it's size.


Now Monty, where do you live. Is it in an area that you aren't allowed by your local or national government to own firearms? Do you own any firearms? Do you depend on the government to protect you?

By destorying those pistols. Someone took the ability for someone else to defend themselves. The people of Darfur could really use those pistols for self defense against the Islamic butchers. But the UN wont allow the victims to arm themselves in self defense.

History is the best teacher. By disarming the people, the governm,ent can kill them or allow someone to do it.

Nazis, Communists, and Murderers agree. Gun Control works.
Click to expand...

Oh give me a break, in the end its a pistol nothing more nothing less and I am sure the last thing former eastern block countries need are another few thousand of them in the hands of the public.

As for myself I am a New Zealander we have probably one of the strictest gun laws in the world and I am more than happy for them to remain even if I am not a huge fan of gun control (believe it or not I accept the argument that people kill people and gun control is a matter of education not restriction) but here firearm restrictions work.

Do I own firearms:
I am one of the few New Zealanders with a collector license and yes I own a few weapons most of them WW2 German and Italian (I got the license becuause my father had a couple of pistols he brought back from WW2 and to keep them I needed the license). However after 2 years in the army and a lot of growing up I really dont have the time or interest in weapons these days.

As for the rest of your post well I really have to say that I think you are somewhat naive if you believe that arming every man and his dog is a great idea and I am really not sure what part of the US you spend time in to develope that level of fear in your own government I know for a fact mine isnt out to kill me and I am pretty sure yours isnt either and besides that I sincerly doubt your 40000 ex-Estonian TT-33s arent going to do jack squat if your government does come after you.
 
5.56

Do you know where those guns were likely to ended up if they were not destroyed? The Black Market. This is the Eastern Block, and all unsecured weaponry attracts thieves like flies on sh**. Surely as an LEO you should be aganist anything the arms criminals or terrorists. You'd never know if those weapons would someday get pointed in your direction. As for the Torkarav or Marakov being works of art, please. They were massed produced in the thousands by the USSR, its not like they are as common as dirt. The TT-33 was still being manufactured in Serbia as of 10 years ago.

I am for some type gun control (just l favor controls on cars, movies and alcohol), I dont own any weapons because like our friends in NZ, laws here forbid it. But when you have a vast stock of a outdated, dangerous object that has absolutly no future use its best to destroy it than risk it falling it the wrong hands. And that applies to anything.

Besides, with over 20 Millions guns in the US, I doubt there will be a shortage anytime soon.
 
Last edited:
Still hurts, if only from the point of view of a collector, to see something like that happen. If nothing else, it means that the pistols will be all the more expensive to purchase legally. I've limited myself to East German models, because they're cheaper than their Russian counterparts. Events like this just price the Russian models further and further out of my range.

Somehow I doubt that the situation is as black and white as "if they're not destroyed they'll be sold on the black market." Such situations never are. There are perfectly responsible ways to sell firearms to reliable people. Companies in the US would have stood in line to import those pistols, because they know that collectors, like me, would love a shot at them. These import companies are perfectly legal and monitored by the government. Where's the evil in that?
 
I believe all is said already. But it still makes me chuckle to call the Estonian army a sesspool of liberals! I've had the pleasure of meeting them on a occasion or two and they never left that impression on me. Secondly, Mmarsh is right by saying that these guns would probably end up killing LEO's in the region. The mob has it's dirty finger in many things and gun trafficking is one of them.....

Sure MT, from the point of a collector it is not so favoravble that the price will go up. But hobbies are expensive things to maintain.
 
moving0target said:
Still hurts, if only from the point of view of a collector, to see something like that happen. If nothing else, it means that the pistols will be all the more expensive to purchase legally. I've limited myself to East German models, because they're cheaper than their Russian counterparts. Events like this just price the Russian models further and further out of my range.

Somehow I doubt that the situation is as black and white as "if they're not destroyed they'll be sold on the black market." Such situations never are. There are perfectly responsible ways to sell firearms to reliable people. Companies in the US would have stood in line to import those pistols, because they know that collectors, like me, would love a shot at them. These import companies are perfectly legal and monitored by the government. Where's the evil in that?
Click to expand...


I am afraid your're mistaken on that part. I would recommend you rent the movie "Lord of War", it the true story about the largest international guns smuggler and how easily it was to procure weapons from the eastern bloc. You mentioned 'monitoring' and legal importation'. Thats a US mentality, there is no monitoring on the Eastern Bloc. Partly because the eastern Bloc really doesnt know how many weapons they have in stock (minimal to none record keeping) and also because corruption is so rife they have enough trouble controlling things like nuclear warheads, do yo really think anybody is going to miss a few thousand handguns? I can tell that almost all illegal firearms seized in Europe come from Eastern bloc countries smuggled in by organized crime.

Besides, like I said the Tokorev and Marakov or not collectors pieces, they are common as dirt. The Makarov was in production for over 40 years. You can still buy them (both originals and copies), we are talking about excess inventory of a dangerous item.
 
Last edited:
The Lord of War is not a true story, it's based on true people. But not a true story.

In the end, I'd rather have my firearms and not need them. Than need a firearm and not have them.

When the SHTF and you need help and nobody will help you. Have fun.
 
Com'on 5.56, How many international arms dealers do you know own their own airline to transport weapons? The movie is based on the very real Victor Bout.

Are you really telling me there is a shortage of firearms? According to the ATF, there are 223 MILLION Firearms in the US alone, (thats a real shortage to be sure ;-)).

As for SHTF, I grew up in NYC, guess what? I am still here, and I didnt need a gun. Now if i were in Florida, I might consider getting one...
 
He's not saying there is a shortage, he's saying that he would rather have more than enough, than not enough. As to NYC, the one time you say that, here comes the robbers, or the muggers, or(Heaven forbid) the rapists. Things happen...Its best to be prepared.
 
Am I going to be attacked, have my house broken into and get killed? Very, very unlikely where I live (and if it did happen my neighbor would be over here with his shotgun in less than a minute).

But I still want lots of guns... must be something else. :p
 
And I am saying 223 Million guns in the US is more than enough. Thats almost as many people who actually live there in the scheme of things 40,000 less guns is not even a drop in the bucket, and as I and Ted have pointed out some of those guns would have would up with bad people.

You should ready up on Bernard Getts. In the 1980's he was mugged by 3 guys on the subway, he pulled a gun killed 1 and critically wounded another. If you thought an easy case of justifyable homicide, your're wrong. He was charged with murder, attempted murder, and illegal carry. After spending some time in jail during his trial he is acquitted (self-defense) of the more serious charges but does more jail time for the illegal carry. Then once out of jail he is sued by the victims families which bankrupts him. The whole ordeal last years. So in the long run, shooting them was far more costly then simply giving the $20 that was in his wallet and going to the cops. And that was BEFORE Guiliani cleaned out the vermin from the subway.

Here is what a friend of mine who is a NYPD captain said. In the classic scenario where a victim is threatened by an assailent, and pulls out a gun to defend himself, its the victim that gets shot and often by his own gun. How? buying a gun is easy. Putting a few rounds into a paper target is easy. Pulling the trigger on a human target 2 feet in front of you is extremly hard, espically the first time. Most people freeze. And when that happens, its your ass, because the criminal will take your gun from you and he will shoot you with it. My friend said he has responded to many more calls such as this, then of people shooting muggers in self defense.

As I said, I'm not pro gun control, but anyone who things arming citizens will somehow stop crime (espically in large cities where there are tons of people) is wrong. Guiliani (a republican) reduced violent crime in NYC by several methods one of which was to ban handguns within city limits.
And now NYC is one of the safest cities in the US (it sure wasn't when I was growing up).
 
I've heard of the horror story you mention in the second paragraph. Carry a firearm legally and you won't have such problems. As for the information given you by a NYPD captain, I'd love to see some stats to back up his anecdotal evidence.

Giuliani's most effective methods of cleaning up the city were removing the businesses that most commonly attracted criminals and, wait for it, enforcing the existing laws.
 
There are too many guns in circulation in Eastern Europe, many find their way to the black market through the Balkans and former Soviet Republics and I prefer to see 1000 destroyed rifles than 1000 Taliban warriors armed to their teeth targeting US and NATO soldiers.
 
Last edited:
I've heard of the horror story you mention in the second paragraph. Carry a firearm legally and you won't have such problems.

How so? What difference would it make whether the gun was legal or illegal. The fact of the matter was Getts got in more trouble using his gun than if he hadn't. In the end it wasnt worth it.

As for the information given you by a NYPD captain, I'd love to see some stats to back up his anecdotal evidence.

Well I have know this guy 6 years (he was the husband of my ex-boss) and I tend to take the word of somebody that works in the field of law enforcement than people who talk macho BS.

Guiliani's most effective methods of cleaning up the city were removing the businesses that most commonly attracted criminals and, wait for it, enforcing the existing laws.[/quote]

Wrong. Clearly your not a NYer. Guiliani banned handguns in NYC limits, and shifted the police strategy of persuing small time criminals instead of big time criminals. The last thing he did was the status quo, that was Democrats which is why crime was high under their administrations. Again, I am not against guns (I used to shoot myself), but I have lived in 2 major cities I can tell you that guns in small places with high populations and short tempers is asking for trouble.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top