Will the JAN 30th Iraqi elections work?




View Poll Results :Will the JAN 30 Iraqi elections work?
not sure 9 34.62%
no 13 50.00%
yes 4 15.38%
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November 21st, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 

Topic: Will the JAN 30th Iraqi elections work?


The US went into Fallujah to weed out the insurgents so elections could be held in that city. The insurgents are basically waxed in that city, but violence has spread into other major cities in Iraq. Now some Sunni clerics are calling for a boycott of the elections.

With all this going on, can the JAN 30th elections work and bring democracy to Iraq?
November 21st, 2004  
EuroSpike
 

Topic: Re: Will the JAN 30th Iraqi elections work?


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Originally Posted by Doody
The US went into Fallujah to weed out the insurgents so elections could be held in that city. The insurgents are basically waxed in that city, but violence has spread into other major cities in Iraq. Now some Sunni clerics are calling for a boycott of the elections.

With all this going on, can the JAN 30th elections work and bring democracy to Iraq?
With Iraq USA put it's hand to a big pile of warm fresh s**t.
November 21st, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
You know what's interesting?
The resources of oil are usually in the South or in the North in the Kurdish area. The Sunni area of central Iraq doesn't have a whole lot. Want the Sunnis to be suckers? Cut Iraq into 3 different countries. The Sunnis will be proud owners of a land locked, oiless country, dependent highly on the Tigris and Euphrates which they will be 3rd hand users after Turkey and Kurdistan.

You could threaten it to gain their cooperation.
Then maybe they will realize the best way to get what they want is to participate in the voting so they can hold a few seats in their congress.
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November 21st, 2004  
EuroSpike
 
"The Sunni area of central Iraq doesn't have a whole lot. Want the Sunnis to be suckers? Cut Iraq into 3 different countries."

They want to be leaders in Iraq. They don't want wrong beliefed dogs to mess their business and occupy their land. They want it as much as you would want China to occupy USA and turn it to black hole of communism. Arabs don't want or need western democracy and they don't rispect it as a goverment. Turning arabs to western democracy is like to turn a capitalist to be a communist.

When US after all someday pulls it's troops out from Iraq, there will be a civil war between different groups to check out who is the boss of the sandbox. Then will a brand new Saddam raise to take over. Weaker groups who try to disagree, will be eliminated.
November 21st, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I know this is why the Sunnis don't want the elections to take place. It means they have less power than during Saddam's days.
By the way I don't like the PRC, so if they didn't want the US meddling in "their" affairs as much as I wanted the PRC to go to America and take over, we wouldn't have a problem.
It's a pattern I've seen consistent with Muslim countries (I've lived in two anyways and hear a lot about the others). The big man is the boss. Any democratically elected leader is immidiately handcuffed and rendered incapable due to corruption and other things. In the vacuum comes more localized, more radicalized groups that represent a specific group of people and not the whole country.
All in all, a very intolerant community. Where there is no tolerance, democracy is going to be a hard sell.

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Originally Posted by EuroSpike
"The Sunni area of central Iraq doesn't have a whole lot. Want the Sunnis to be suckers? Cut Iraq into 3 different countries."

They want to be leaders in Iraq. They don't want wrong beliefed dogs to mess their business and occupy their land. They want it as much as you would want China to occupy USA and turn it to black hole of communism. Arabs don't want or need western democracy and they don't rispect it as a goverment. Turning arabs to western democracy is like to turn a capitalist to be a communist.

When US after all someday pulls it's troops out from Iraq, there will be a civil war between different groups to check out who is the boss of the sandbox. Then will a brand new Saddam raise to take over. Weaker groups who try to disagree, will be eliminated.
November 21st, 2004  
EuroSpike
 
It's a pattern I've seen consistent with Muslim countries (I've lived in two anyways and hear a lot about the others). The big man is the boss. Any democratically elected leader is immidiately handcuffed and rendered incapable due to corruption and other things. In the vacuum comes more localized, more radicalized groups that represent a specific group of people and not the whole country.
All in all, a very intolerant community. Where there is no tolerance, democracy is going to be a hard sell.

Yes. The big man is the boss and the big man is rispected. Democracy is not big man and not to be rispected. That is the local culture that is much different than ours. I haven't lived in any muslim country for my luck but couple of years ago i was in Afghanistan with the CIMIC company as an infantryman and i dealed some with those local people. I like the arab culture and manners a bit strange and even cruel. Don't wear sunglasses when talking to an arab, never show them bottom of your shoe and so on such of strange manners. Women are at the same line with dogs and religion and own family to belong seem to be very important things. Ok, thats their way of life and i rispect that.
November 21st, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Well I dont think the situation in Iraq would have been half as ugly as it is today if Europe also had supported the operation. But now when this Euorpean countrys are just standing in the dich on the left side of the road and gives the terrorists more water on there plows It can be hard. But I believe that Bush will straight things up down there with our without the support from Europe in a greater scale then they are apparticipating today. I have a gut feeling that more European countrys will have to take larger steps towards this war on terrorism then they are doing today. There will be something that triggers this and the gov of Europe cant play blind so much more, the reality will catch up to them too sooner or later.

Cheers:
Doc.S
November 22nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I think the best answer to this poll would be: It HAS to work.
November 22nd, 2004  
LIPS
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
I think the best answer to this poll would be: It HAS to work.
I agree with Redneck they will work because they have to work. But I feel it will stretch the military over there as well as fighting a war they would most likely have to provide security at the polling locations.

The times ahead are going to be tuff not only for Iraq but also for the countries with a stake in all of this.
November 22nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
A lot of countries have a stake in this, including Europe, and maybe Australia (though less so compared to Europe and the US).
If things fail in Iraq, the consequence could be a gigantic terrorist haven that can be used as a staging area for supporting groups overseas (training, command and control to an extent, supply etc.).
Right now the whole reason for needing to succeed in Iraq is totally different from when the US actually went in. Turned out to be wrong about the WMD etc. but right now that is no longer the point.