Will Israel and USA attack Iran

One very important detail that you are missing. The Viet-cong human bombs were mostly targetted at what they considered enemy soldiers. Hamas and other Palestinian groups targets schoolbuses and daycares. And inasmuch as the Vietcong did similar things, shame on them! I did not claim that Islam had a monopoly on such things. I claimed that their decision to use such tactics makes the whole of Islam look like a pack of rabid dogs, and that's just because of the atrocious behavior of that tiny minority. Terrorist make Islam, a peaceful religion, look very very bad.

Remember 1991? Iraq did fight. It didn't go too well for them. I'm not saying that I favor the invasion of Iran, I'm saying that if it comes to that then I don't think you're idea of a equal battle is going to happen.

Its funny how America is an enemy of Islam considering that there is a substantial number of Americans who are Muslim.
 
America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy Islamic extremist, or rather, terrorist who use Islam in a fascist matter. Too many folks think we have a hatred of Islam as a whole. We don't, just those who use it as a force of evil.

I don't know much about Iran, not much at all. I know that they fund some organizations with some "questionable" goals.

I'd just like to know, mr. Celestial Intellect, what is the widespread opinion of the US in your country?
 
"Iraqis didn't even fight! They didn't even fly a Mig" Whats the point if its just going to get shot down before it can fire off a round? That was probally the smartest thing they did during the war. I see all these people bringin religion and willingness into battle. Neither of those will stop a bullet from killing you. And no one is more willing to fight then an American soldier.
 
I just fail to comprehend why enitire nations, like Iran, throw tremendous support to the cause of murdering people. I fail to see where it has actually helped the Muslim cause, but there are plenty of cases where it has hindered them.

It's like fad diets. Its a failed idea from the beginning no matter how reasonbly the idea is presented to you.
 
I've been asked not to post off topic, so you guys should cooperate too. We could argue the rest in some other topic.

One very important detail that you are missing. The Viet-cong human bombs...

On the other hand there is another detail that I think you’re missing.

Israel and Palestine are located in a small land close to one another. Many of those people that fight Israel can not even be considered as part of an army or any group, they are ordinary civilians without any training who join the battle, and most of them in some way have lost their relatives, homes, farms, country, friends, etc. They only need to acquire a bomb and then push a button. They have nothing left, they seek REVENGE, as you've realised already it’s absolutely nothing to do with religion, as this kind of behaviour was seen before among non-Moslems.
If Vietnamese could reach American civilians I’m sure they would have attempted to retaliate. Why not?! Besides all this you can’t expect someone who has seen guts of his child spilled all over the place, to think logically. You would do the same thing. Hence suicide bombing can be considered a side effect of a long occupation.
The other point is, what Al-Qaeda is doing is not in the same category as what Hezbollah and Hamas are doing. There is a great difference: Hezbollah and Hamas are fighting within their own countries; while Al-Qaeda is taking its operations to other countries.
Hezbollah and Hamas are not networks, they are the army of their country who fight for their people, if you can't understand this then we can't come to a conclusion on this point.

I just fail to comprehend why enitire nations, like Iran...

Yet again you're saying that Iran is supporting the world wide terror! No, Iran is supporting Palestine and Lebanon, because we see them as oppressed nations. There is no evidence of these groups doing anything beyond the borders of their countries. Just as US supports Isreal...

... The US does not seek to kill innocent Iraqi's on purpose ...
This is the outcome that shapes the future, wether on purpese or not this will generate hate, revenge and evil, and all these factors will provide a birth ground for sucide bombers and even terrorism.
If you really want to know the root causes of terrorism you should go back to history and see when it all started. As you know terrorism is a new thing, it did not exist in the old days.

Neither of those will stop a bullet from killing you. And no one is more willing to fight then an American soldier.

We're all going to die one day, those who truly know the meaning of death and the secrets behind it and have lived their lives according to the din of Allah, will not fear it rather conceder it as a blessing. Everything else will be known only during the actual battle.

America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy ...

And Iran's current interest is to help the oppressed and occupied people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and do it's best in anyway possible to stop a super power from abusing and imperialism.

I'd just like to know, mr. Celestial Intellect, what is the widespread opinion of the US in your country?

Most of the Iranians, at least 80% if not more, hate US government.
 
Yet again you're saying that Iran is supporting the world wide terror! No, Iran is supporting Palestine and Lebanon, because we see them as oppressed nations. There is no evidence of these groups doing anything beyond the borders of their countries. Just as US supports Isreal...

It is the Christians and the Druze who are oppressed In Lebanon, the the Muslims.
 
Calm down, GuyontheRight. Do not start or participate in a flame war or any nation bashing. I am getting tired of reminding you all, and any further occurences will result in immediate further action. I will leave this topic open for now, but if it appears that the posters are unable to behave responsibly it will be closed.

Any questions, read the forum rules and guidelines (I mean, re-read them, since I know you all read them when you signed up like you were told to), and then PM me if you are still unsure of what proper behavior on this site is.

And Celestial Intellect, report to the Welcoming Center immediately and post an introduction.
 
Celestial Intellect,

ter·ror·ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
-From Websters

You may claim the US and Israel are "terrorists" but I cannot see how you claim Iranian sponsored groups are not. Revenge is an ideological and political reason, and your government backs people who use unlawful force against innocent civilians! "Unlawfull" is of course being outside the law, which the deliberate targeting of civilians Is faccording to the Geneva conventions.
 
Hey there mr. Iranian dude, don't quote half my sentence for your little bending the truth game. I said:
America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy Islamic extremist

I'm sorry but, I'm afraid you must except Islam has been invaded by extremist and are tainting the religion with blood. I do not mean in any way that Islam is a inherently violent religion, nor that the majority of muslims are corrupted. I actually think most muslims are moderate and are not tainted by fascism.... and that our intervention in Afganistan will help in preventing this. And, while I can definately see your point in that our military actions in Iraq could very well spawn more extremism, I also think that a democratic Iraq will stablize the region and in the end, make it harder for exremism to grow- past western military actions aside, as I think people will see it was worth it.

As for suicide bombers killing innocents.... it is like killing innocents in general, as long as it has a logical goal or outcome that could benefit the cause in a poesitive matter in the end- not for selfish martyrdom. That is for that person alone and in the name of their religion, with total disregard of other people and their culture/religious beliefs.

The only way for different cultures to co-exist is for them to be flexible and accept other beliefs as legtimate just like their own. As long, of course, a culture isn't negative to human life and rights.

As for America's "abusing and imperialism" I don't know what that's about, unless you're talking about the collateral damage of war and the "prison abuse scandel". And for the imperialism part, well, that's no longer a practive in usage today. I believe the correct word is "globalism"

Sorry if I offended, please tell me if I went over the edge, Redneck!

Mod reply: No worries on that, Chocobo, you're not even approaching the edge here. :lol:
 
Chocobo_Blitzer,
Careful how you use the word "fascism". It's been abused in the mannor that any athoritarian, violent sect be classified as Fascist, and thats just not the case, especially when talking about Islamic extremists. The term should only be used when reffering to Mussolini's government or national socialism. Just kind of a pet-peeve of mine you could say, since Ive read many books and have a clear idea of what and what It is and isn't.

I agree In the ense we may be making more terrorists In the Islamic world by our actions, but has anyone ever stopped to think about our generation, Chocobo? Islamic extremism has lead many people of our age into extreme anger over events like 9/11, and they may be creating somthing could really come back and kick them In the ass.

That is not a threat on anyone Redneck, just an observation.
 
Very well then, I'll take your word as you seem better educated on such matters than I. But would you find for me the correct word to replace my usage of fascism? I can't think of one. And also, I agree that they're creating a counter to themselves what with the 9/11 attacks. Heck, I'm probably going to join the Army sooner or later because of this war.
 
Celestial, you're quibbling about the definitions of words. Supporting extremist groups who's stated goal it the complete destruction of Israel and its people ... its not helping the Palestinian people. Its never going to help the Palestinian people. All its EVER done is strengthen Israel's resolve to fight on, and forced Israel to treat every Palestinian like a criminal, just to protect themselves.

If you want to improve things for the Palestinian people, don't support Hamas. Don't support Palestinian radical groups. I call them a "terrorist group", you can call them a purple fairy club for all I can care. Their tactics are murdering Israelis.

Israeli = a human being. This is a distinction that many Muslims have a hard time with. I'm sure you automatically going to disagree, but let me illustrate with a real case. A Palestinian walks into an Israeli daycare, blows himself up and kills 33 children. A European sees this as murder. So does an Israeli. So does an American. But a very large percentage of the Muslim world does not. They'll call it heroic, or even a necessary evil. But the slightest justification for this act is wrong. If I sneak into Iran, go into a crowded area and blow myself up along with 33 Iranians (of any age or kind) for oppressing me with high gas prices, I'm a murderer. But excuses and allowances are made for the psycho Palestinian that ended the lives of 33 children. I'm saying that's inexcusable and Muslims who think differently are only a part of the problem.
 
What ever happned to the "people of the book" mentality of the Ummayad dynasty :roll:

god of course, Is completly right. The Palastinians were given lots of chances to settle the issue of their own state, but refused to because they didn't want Israel to exist at all. That shows anti-Jewish feelings more then pro-Palastinian feelings as far as logic goes.
 
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