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August 30th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Hey there mr. Iranian dude, don't quote half my sentence for your little bending the truth game. I said:
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America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy Islamic extremist
I'm sorry but, I'm afraid you must except Islam has been invaded by extremist and are tainting the religion with blood. I do not mean in any way that Islam is a inherently violent religion, nor that the majority of muslims are corrupted. I actually think most muslims are moderate and are not tainted by fascism.... and that our intervention in Afganistan will help in preventing this. And, while I can definately see your point in that our military actions in Iraq could very well spawn more extremism, I also think that a democratic Iraq will stablize the region and in the end, make it harder for exremism to grow- past western military actions aside, as I think people will see it was worth it.

As for suicide bombers killing innocents.... it is like killing innocents in general, as long as it has a logical goal or outcome that could benefit the cause in a poesitive matter in the end- not for selfish martyrdom. That is for that person alone and in the name of their religion, with total disregard of other people and their culture/religious beliefs.

The only way for different cultures to co-exist is for them to be flexible and accept other beliefs as legtimate just like their own. As long, of course, a culture isn't negative to human life and rights.

As for America's "abusing and imperialism" I don't know what that's about, unless you're talking about the collateral damage of war and the "prison abuse scandel". And for the imperialism part, well, that's no longer a practive in usage today. I believe the correct word is "globalism"

Sorry if I offended, please tell me if I went over the edge, Redneck!

Mod reply: No worries on that, Chocobo, you're not even approaching the edge here.
August 30th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Chocobo_Blitzer,
Careful how you use the word "fascism". It's been abused in the mannor that any athoritarian, violent sect be classified as Fascist, and thats just not the case, especially when talking about Islamic extremists. The term should only be used when reffering to Mussolini's government or national socialism. Just kind of a pet-peeve of mine you could say, since Ive read many books and have a clear idea of what and what It is and isn't.

I agree In the ense we may be making more terrorists In the Islamic world by our actions, but has anyone ever stopped to think about our generation, Chocobo? Islamic extremism has lead many people of our age into extreme anger over events like 9/11, and they may be creating somthing could really come back and kick them In the ass.

That is not a threat on anyone Redneck, just an observation.
August 30th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Very well then, I'll take your word as you seem better educated on such matters than I. But would you find for me the correct word to replace my usage of fascism? I can't think of one. And also, I agree that they're creating a counter to themselves what with the 9/11 attacks. Heck, I'm probably going to join the Army sooner or later because of this war.
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August 30th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Islamic Radicals seems fine with me, because that is what they are.
August 31st, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Celestial, you're quibbling about the definitions of words. Supporting extremist groups who's stated goal it the complete destruction of Israel and its people ... its not helping the Palestinian people. Its never going to help the Palestinian people. All its EVER done is strengthen Israel's resolve to fight on, and forced Israel to treat every Palestinian like a criminal, just to protect themselves.

If you want to improve things for the Palestinian people, don't support Hamas. Don't support Palestinian radical groups. I call them a "terrorist group", you can call them a purple fairy club for all I can care. Their tactics are murdering Israelis.

Israeli = a human being. This is a distinction that many Muslims have a hard time with. I'm sure you automatically going to disagree, but let me illustrate with a real case. A Palestinian walks into an Israeli daycare, blows himself up and kills 33 children. A European sees this as murder. So does an Israeli. So does an American. But a very large percentage of the Muslim world does not. They'll call it heroic, or even a necessary evil. But the slightest justification for this act is wrong. If I sneak into Iran, go into a crowded area and blow myself up along with 33 Iranians (of any age or kind) for oppressing me with high gas prices, I'm a murderer. But excuses and allowances are made for the psycho Palestinian that ended the lives of 33 children. I'm saying that's inexcusable and Muslims who think differently are only a part of the problem.
August 31st, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
What ever happned to the "people of the book" mentality of the Ummayad dynasty

god of course, Is completly right. The Palastinians were given lots of chances to settle the issue of their own state, but refused to because they didn't want Israel to exist at all. That shows anti-Jewish feelings more then pro-Palastinian feelings as far as logic goes.