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August 29th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
One very important detail that you are missing. The Viet-cong human bombs were mostly targetted at what they considered enemy soldiers. Hamas and other Palestinian groups targets schoolbuses and daycares. And inasmuch as the Vietcong did similar things, shame on them! I did not claim that Islam had a monopoly on such things. I claimed that their decision to use such tactics makes the whole of Islam look like a pack of rabid dogs, and that's just because of the atrocious behavior of that tiny minority. Terrorist make Islam, a peaceful religion, look very very bad.

Remember 1991? Iraq did fight. It didn't go too well for them. I'm not saying that I favor the invasion of Iran, I'm saying that if it comes to that then I don't think you're idea of a equal battle is going to happen.

Its funny how America is an enemy of Islam considering that there is a substantial number of Americans who are Muslim.
August 29th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
When I say America, I mean the liberal culture
August 29th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy Islamic extremist, or rather, terrorist who use Islam in a fascist matter. Too many folks think we have a hatred of Islam as a whole. We don't, just those who use it as a force of evil.

I don't know much about Iran, not much at all. I know that they fund some organizations with some "questionable" goals.

I'd just like to know, mr. Celestial Intellect, what is the widespread opinion of the US in your country?
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August 30th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
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Too many folks think we have a hatred of Islam as a whole. We don't, just those who use it as a force of evil.
I agree, people need to learn to respect all the religions of the world better. [/url]
August 30th, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
"Iraqis didn't even fight! They didn't even fly a Mig" Whats the point if its just going to get shot down before it can fire off a round? That was probally the smartest thing they did during the war. I see all these people bringin religion and willingness into battle. Neither of those will stop a bullet from killing you. And no one is more willing to fight then an American soldier.
August 30th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
I just fail to comprehend why enitire nations, like Iran, throw tremendous support to the cause of murdering people. I fail to see where it has actually helped the Muslim cause, but there are plenty of cases where it has hindered them.

It's like fad diets. Its a failed idea from the beginning no matter how reasonbly the idea is presented to you.
August 30th, 2004  
Celestial Intellect
 
I've been asked not to post off topic, so you guys should cooperate too. We could argue the rest in some other topic.

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One very important detail that you are missing. The Viet-cong human bombs...
On the other hand there is another detail that I think youíre missing.

Israel and Palestine are located in a small land close to one another. Many of those people that fight Israel can not even be considered as part of an army or any group, they are ordinary civilians without any training who join the battle, and most of them in some way have lost their relatives, homes, farms, country, friends, etc. They only need to acquire a bomb and then push a button. They have nothing left, they seek REVENGE, as you've realised already itís absolutely nothing to do with religion, as this kind of behaviour was seen before among non-Moslems.
If Vietnamese could reach American civilians Iím sure they would have attempted to retaliate. Why not?! Besides all this you canít expect someone who has seen guts of his child spilled all over the place, to think logically. You would do the same thing. Hence suicide bombing can be considered a side effect of a long occupation.
The other point is, what Al-Qaeda is doing is not in the same category as what Hezbollah and Hamas are doing. There is a great difference: Hezbollah and Hamas are fighting within their own countries; while Al-Qaeda is taking its operations to other countries.
Hezbollah and Hamas are not networks, they are the army of their country who fight for their people, if you can't understand this then we can't come to a conclusion on this point.

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I just fail to comprehend why enitire nations, like Iran...
Yet again you're saying that Iran is supporting the world wide terror! No, Iran is supporting Palestine and Lebanon, because we see them as oppressed nations. There is no evidence of these groups doing anything beyond the borders of their countries. Just as US supports Isreal...

[quote] ... The US does not seek to kill innocent Iraqi's on purpose ...[quote]

This is the outcome that shapes the future, wether on purpese or not this will generate hate, revenge and evil, and all these factors will provide a birth ground for sucide bombers and even terrorism.
If you really want to know the root causes of terrorism you should go back to history and see when it all started. As you know terrorism is a new thing, it did not exist in the old days.

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Neither of those will stop a bullet from killing you. And no one is more willing to fight then an American soldier.
We're all going to die one day, those who truly know the meaning of death and the secrets behind it and have lived their lives according to the din of Allah, will not fear it rather conceder it as a blessing. Everything else will be known only during the actual battle.

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America's current interest in the middle-east is to destroy ...
And Iran's current interest is to help the oppressed and occupied people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and do it's best in anyway possible to stop a super power from abusing and imperialism.

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I'd just like to know, mr. Celestial Intellect, what is the widespread opinion of the US in your country?
Most of the Iranians, at least 80% if not more, hate US government.
August 30th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
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Yet again you're saying that Iran is supporting the world wide terror! No, Iran is supporting Palestine and Lebanon, because we see them as oppressed nations. There is no evidence of these groups doing anything beyond the borders of their countries. Just as US supports Isreal...
It is the Christians and the Druze who are oppressed In Lebanon, the the Muslims.
August 30th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Calm down, GuyontheRight. Do not start or participate in a flame war or any nation bashing. I am getting tired of reminding you all, and any further occurences will result in immediate further action. I will leave this topic open for now, but if it appears that the posters are unable to behave responsibly it will be closed.

Any questions, read the forum rules and guidelines (I mean, re-read them, since I know you all read them when you signed up like you were told to), and then PM me if you are still unsure of what proper behavior on this site is.

And Celestial Intellect, report to the Welcoming Center immediately and post an introduction.
August 30th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
Celestial Intellect,

ter∑ror∑ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
-From Websters

You may claim the US and Israel are "terrorists" but I cannot see how you claim Iranian sponsored groups are not. Revenge is an ideological and political reason, and your government backs people who use unlawful force against innocent civilians! "Unlawfull" is of course being outside the law, which the deliberate targeting of civilians Is faccording to the Geneva conventions.