Will China unite with Taiwan peacefully? - Page 17




View Poll Results :I think China will unite with Taiwan peacefully
YES, a decade later 11 21.15%
YES, more than two or three decades later 16 30.77%
YES, but beyond my lifetime 2 3.85%
NO. China is interested to use force 23 44.23%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

 
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Boots
 
November 29th, 2004  
SAINT
 
No matter what, it's only wise strategically for the US not to be involved even if China attacks Taiwan. It's their fight between brothers.

And the US gains nothing if she is to side the loser, or any one of them.

Let them end their conflict and differences with a big fight and then the US comes in as a friend of the victor.

Gain and advantage for the US in this way.
November 29th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by SAINT
No matter what, it's only wise strategically for the US not to be involved even if China attacks Taiwan. It's their fight between brothers.

And the US gains nothing if she is to side the loser, or any one of them.

Let them end their conflict and differences with a big fight and then the US comes in as a friend of the victor.

Gain and advantage for the US in this way.
No, the US does not gain an advantage either way as you say (man, I could be a rapper.)

Right now China's main goal is to reunite Taiwan with mainland China, that keeps them from setting their sights on the US for now, and if China does invade Taiwan it gives us a reason to go to war with China, hopefully sooner rather than later, with a Republican as President.
November 29th, 2004  
Kane
 
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No, the US does not gain an advantage either way as you say (man, I could be a rapper.)

Right now China's main goal is to reunite Taiwan with mainland China, that keeps them from setting their sights on the US for now, and if China does invade Taiwan it gives us a reason to go to war with China, hopefully sooner rather than later, with a Republican as President.
The Republican Party already realized that the U.S. wil not get the support and the resources to drive the PRC out of Taiwan. Can you imagine how much manpower and resources it require to do such a job?

Pertaining to economics, America's economy is driven by the consumers who will to spend to keep businesses running. Cutting trade with China is not a wise thing to do. Chinese Manufacturers are the ones who are mass producing various products that can be sold at the lowest price. Take that away and the Consumers of America will go nuts.

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that keeps them from setting their sights on the US for now,
Totally wrong. PRC is definetly setting their sights on the US...a lot.
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November 29th, 2004  
Zyca
 
 
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Originally Posted by SAINT
No matter what, it's only wise strategically for the US not to be involved even if China attacks Taiwan. It's their fight between brothers.
It all depends on how the US view China. Taiwan is an immobile carrier between China and the US. With Taiwan out of the way joining China, the US will be facing China's biggest island directly accross the Pacific Ocean, and whether that's a good idea or a bad idea is basically determined by how you view China. You want to be close to your friends, but you want some distance from your enemies. So strategically, Taiwan's geographic location is very crucial. The US care much less about Tibet for its relative insignificant geographic location, and Tibet's situation is much worse than that of Taiwan.
November 29th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Taiwan is an immobile carrier between China and the US.
Pacific Ocean is SO BIG.

In the view of Pacific Ocean, all Islands there can be seen as immobile carriers

But none of those island carriers can float
November 30th, 2004  
SAINT
 
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Originally Posted by Kane
Can you imagine how much manpower and resources it require to do such a job?

Pertaining to economics, America's economy is driven by the consumers who will to spend to keep businesses running. Cutting trade with China is not a wise thing to do. Chinese Manufacturers are the ones who are mass producing various products that can be sold at the lowest price. Take that away and the Consumers of America will go nuts.
True.. USA is a consumer society and its economy is driven by consumption and supply. Even the huge US military is there to protect the economy and its consumers.. that's the bottomline political doctrine of the US.

It's for the sake of the consumers and economy that the US is in the Middle East to get rid of terrorists who are always planning to disrupt the smooth flow of US daily businesses, work and economy.

And also probably for the supply of oil from the Middle East for the US economy which is ever dependent on oil. Without oil, everything is 'lights out'.
November 30th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by SAINT
And also probably for the supply of oil from the Middle East for the US economy which is ever dependent on oil. Without oil, everything is 'lights out'.
Don't you ever get sick of using that argument over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

The US did not invade Iraq over Oil, that is stupid, why the hell would we do that? We have all the oil we want in Saudi Arabia and Iraq has only driven the oil prices higher. We invaded Iraq for three reasons (A) Saddam was a bastard who killed thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. (B) It was believed that Saddam had WMD's and he had already proved willing to use them. (C) Bush Jr. had a personal bias against Saddam for trying to kill Bush Sr. now be honest, who in here would not use whatever resources necassarry to get the bastard who tryed to kill your dad? When you add up all three of those it makes a very convincing argument for war, that and we were just finishing what should have been done in 1991 and what 12 years of UN sanctions had failed to do.
November 30th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I think SAINT actually likes America, I don't know where that oil thing came from, though.
November 30th, 2004  
MadeInChina
 
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The US did not invade Iraq over Oil, that is stupid, why the h**l would we do that? We have all the oil we want in Saudi Arabia and Iraq has only driven the oil prices higher.
Im just wondering, if the us really didnt need IRaq's oil and and have all the oil we wanted in saudi arabia, then your statement: "Iraq had driven the oil prices higher" makes no sense, its contridiction since the latter stated that IRaq's nowadays inefficient oil supply had risen the oil price when you also stated that it didnt matter whether iraq had oil or not.

Oil is the future of war, whoever controls the middle east controls the world nowadays.. Unless some genius comes up with an alternative to fossil fuel, until that day, the us is goign to be heavily engaged in the middle east and trying to make a monopoly
November 30th, 2004  
SAINT
 
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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
I think SAINT actually likes America, I don't know where that oil thing came from, though.
About the oil thing..http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_...tnationsissues