Will the battle tank become obsolete? - Page 25




 
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December 2nd, 2012  
dienmay
 
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December 3rd, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recce011
Canada played that game, Retired the Leo 1 C2, then we rolled into afghanistan. We had to lease Leo 2'S A6M from the dutch. Then end up buying A4's.
And thanks to that numbnuts Duncan Sandy's white paper stating that all future aircraft will be unmanned, Canada scraped the AVRO Arrow, an aircraft far ahead of its time and better than anything in the air at that time.

Canada isn't alone. Britain has retired all the Harriers, which means that the Royal Navy no longer has an air cover capability. I sometimes wonder who's side governments are really on.
December 3rd, 2012  
captiva303
 
 
Tanks are obsolete ? Cause we all know how well seizing and holding ground soley from the air went ...
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December 3rd, 2012  
Tankboy
 
 
Tanks seize ground, they can't however, hold ground, on their own.
The tactics will change, but the tank is here for a little while yet.
I think the emphasis, certainly from the British point of view, has changed.
As there are as many reccy regts, as there are CH2 Regiments now.
December 3rd, 2012  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Britain has retired all the Harriers, which means that the Royal Navy no longer has an air cover capability. I sometimes wonder who's side governments are really on.
Crazy decision!

We sold all those Harriers to the US, who still see them as a viable option. They are stripping them all down for parts! Sad sad end to the jets we'd only just spent millions on refitting!

The decision to get rid of the Harriers and the aircraft carrier Ark Royal leaves the Royal Navy without a carrier able to operate strike aircraft until the second of two new carriers enters service in 2020!!!!!

All done in the name of saving money! It'll actualky cost more in the long run!
December 3rd, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
And IF those carriers enter service, what aircraft are going to going to operate off of them?

The stupidity of the British government knows no bounds.
December 3rd, 2012  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
And IF those carriers enter service, what aircraft are going to going to operate off of them?

The stupidity of the British government knows no bounds.
There won't be catapults or arrester gear (in order to save money) on the new carriers. This means that the only jets able to fly from the decks will be the F-35B supersonic stealth jumpjets. We can't afford any new jets!!!!

It was revealed a few days ago that radar technology which warns commanders of incoming enemy warplanes and missiles may not be ready until five years after the first of the 7 billion warships enters service in 2017. The ageing Sea King helicopters (which currently provide the fleet’s Airborne Early Warning (AEW) system) will be retired in 2016. The Sea King replacements could be delayed until 2022. We had no AEW systems during The Falklands. The result? We lost 5 ships...
December 3rd, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Frogman
There won't be catapults or arrester gear (in order to save money) on the new carriers. This means that the only jets able to fly from the decks will be the F-35B supersonic stealth jumpjets. We can't afford any new jets!!!!

It was revealed a few days ago that radar technology which warns commanders of incoming enemy warplanes and missiles may not be ready until five years after the first of the 7 billion warships enters service in 2017. The ageing Sea King helicopters (which currently provide the fleets Airborne Early Warning (AEW) system) will be retired in 2016. The Sea King replacements could be delayed until 2022. We had no AEW systems during The Falklands. The result? We lost 5 ships...
The dozy bastards never cease to amaze me how stupid they are. Britain last week paid President Zuma (SA's numbnut president) 19 million pounds, Zuma spent 17.5 million upgrading his palace. Its reasons like this that Britain cannot afford to buy new aircraft.
December 3rd, 2012  
brinktk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unseen
Tanks are obsolete. In fact airplanes should also be obsolete if right now a developed nation started to divert funding from aircraft and put it towards ground based missile technology. Need some recon of an area? Use a satellite. Got the recon? Attack hostile area with precision guided munitions from ground based missile system. Job done.

Missile platforms is where the pie is. They could do it all making everything obsolete.

Finally why would you need to hold an area? It's not about holding an area. It's about not letting the enemy hold an area. Achieve that and you just won the war.
Um...No.

That's an extremely expensive proposal. The battle tracking capability would have to be enormous to track every single Sig Act that needed missiles to take out targets throughout a battle space. You're making a time old mistake of assuming that we can control the ground from the air. The bottom line is that after all the high speed low drag gizmos are used to prosecute a decisive action on the ground...you will ALWAYS need ground forces to occupy that ground. A missile can't clear miles of trenchline. A missile can't determine if enemy combatants are occupying a building. A missile can't loiter over a battlefield giving timely, accurate, consistent ground support.

Tank support is crucial to successful large combat operations. Close air support is just as crucial. It's the combined arms capability that's makes armies utterly devastating, these missiles you speak of are just tools to help accomplish this effect.
December 4th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
But does this assessment take into account the ever growing number of UGV's being developed, isn't it possible that the future MBT may be a UGV about half the size, for example isn't the US Army looking into a UGV Stryker option plus there are also the autonomous vehicles like the Crusher.
 


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