Why, today, I'm proud to be Irish!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026348/RUTH-DUDLEY-EDWARDS-Why-today-Im-proud-Irish.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026348/RUTH-DUDLEY-EDWARDS-Why-today-Im-proud-Irish.html
Why, today, I'm proud to be Irish!
perseus
Active member
Ireland has benefited more than anyone out of Europe. Is it reasonable to take the bits you want and leave the others? Are they biting the hand that feeds it? Perhaps Ireland are just blaming their current economic woes on Europe whilst in fact it is little to do with it. Interestingly it was mainly the left wing poor sector of the electorate that voted no.
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Milforum Mac Daddy
I think it's a good idea that the Irish voted against the EU...
It's nothing but a giant socialist government. I think the Irish aren't happy with the Brits ruling over half of their island. You think they'll be happy with some guy on the mainland telling them what to do?
It's nothing but a giant socialist government. I think the Irish aren't happy with the Brits ruling over half of their island. You think they'll be happy with some guy on the mainland telling them what to do?
This is called democracy at work, just what the EU hate.
The point is that Ireland, like the other countries, signed up for a common market, but instead have found themselves involved in creeping federalism, with more and more power passing to unelected and corrupt bodies of the EU.
France and Holland rejected this treaty, now Ireland have, and they are the only countries which have been allowed a referendum. We ourselves have been denied a promised commitment to such, Gordon Brown's biggest betrayal amongst many. Even yesterday we learned from the French president that he and Brown have agreed to press on with the implementation of the treaty regardless, even though the rule was that if even ONE country rejected it, the treaty would be dead. Democracy be damned - the electorate be damned; corruption rules. Brown won't give us the referendum because he knows it will be swept aside here; he won't do the decent thing and resign and call an election because he will be swept aside. He has become Mugabe in disguise, clinging deperately by his fingertips and still attempting to bully his way through.
It seems that this Lisbon treaty will lead to the formation of a European Army, so the Irish do not wish to see their boys CONSCRIPTED by this corrupt Federal European mafia.
The point is that Ireland, like the other countries, signed up for a common market, but instead have found themselves involved in creeping federalism, with more and more power passing to unelected and corrupt bodies of the EU.
France and Holland rejected this treaty, now Ireland have, and they are the only countries which have been allowed a referendum. We ourselves have been denied a promised commitment to such, Gordon Brown's biggest betrayal amongst many. Even yesterday we learned from the French president that he and Brown have agreed to press on with the implementation of the treaty regardless, even though the rule was that if even ONE country rejected it, the treaty would be dead. Democracy be damned - the electorate be damned; corruption rules. Brown won't give us the referendum because he knows it will be swept aside here; he won't do the decent thing and resign and call an election because he will be swept aside. He has become Mugabe in disguise, clinging deperately by his fingertips and still attempting to bully his way through.
It seems that this Lisbon treaty will lead to the formation of a European Army, so the Irish do not wish to see their boys CONSCRIPTED by this corrupt Federal European mafia.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
You raise a good question, will the EU continue to funnel huge sums of cash Irelands way now, seems waiting until you are low on money may not be the best time to lose your wallet.
You would have to wonder whether the EU will honour things like:
- Northern Ireland is to receive € 165.7 million from the Fund from 2007-2013.
- € 225 million of investment from the EU for border region reconciliation.
- € 192 million of investment from the EU for economic and infrastructure development.
- EU will be contributing €171 million to the Northern Ireland Rural Development Programme for 2007-2013.
- € 3.8 billion from the European Fisheries Fund (EFF) will provide support for the fisheries sector, including adaptation of the fleet, processing and marketing of fishery products and the development of sustainable fisheries.
I have a strong suspicion that 5-10 years down the track this discussion will start with "A Belgian, Frenchmen and Irishman walk into a bar..."
http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/a...d/funding/eu_funding_programmes_2007-2013.pdf
Well what do you know...
Second EU Vote Would Damage Ireland-Minister Irish voters almost wrecked EU plans for eastward expansion in 2001 by rejecting the Nice treaty.
A second Irish referendum on the European Union's reform treaty would cause more damage to Ireland after the accord was soundly rejected by voters this week, minister Conor Lenihan said on Saturday. Friday's "No" vote, in the only country of the 27 to hold a referendum, was a humiliation for Ireland's political leaders, plunging the bloc into a crisis of confidence three years after the French and Dutch rejected the EU constitution. Lenihan, a junior minister in Ireland's government, said the "No" vote on the treaty, designed to overhaul the EU's creaking institutions, had been "very deeply damaging".
"I can't see a situation where we can put this matter again to be quite honest with you because the risk to Europe, and indeed to Ireland, of putting this again is to cause even more damage to our country and to our interests," he told public broadcaster RTE on Saturday. Asked whether a second vote was ruled out, Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen said late on Friday his first task was to speak with European colleagues who were equally affected.
"I'm not ruling anything in or out or up or down," he said.
Ireland ranks in surveys as one of the bloc's most pro-European states and its now faltering economic boom has been partly driven by EU funding.
Irish voters almost wrecked EU plans for eastward expansion in 2001 by rejecting the Nice treaty, but the government staged a second referendum in which that pact passed.
"I'm not saying I am ruling out the possibility that it could be voted on again," Lenihan said "But I really think it would take a huge amount of effort on the government's, and indeed on Europe's part, to put this question again."
Friday's electoral returns showed the treaty, which failed by a margin of 53.4 to 46.6 percent, faced strong opposition from working class areas which are suspicious of Brussels and of Ireland's political elite.
Other European leaders are pressing ahead with ratification of the treaty. They will meet in Brussels next week for what looks like a crisis summit after the Irish "No" vote.
Irish commentators on Saturday pointed to the unknown implications for Ireland.
"There is a cloud with no silver lining in sight," wrote the Irish Times in an editorial.
The Irish Independent said Ireland's interests would get less attention, with its influence in Europe diminished.
"When the weaknesses consequent on the rejection of the treaty hurt other countries, we will be blamed," it said.
The Irish Examiner, which described the result as a "bloodbath", said the treaty project would go ahead with or without Ireland.
"Will the victory for the 'No' campaign have any more significance than Custer's last stand? Only time will tell," it said.
http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=156223
Still I have to smile when we have one poster stating that the the result is good because the EU are socialists when they majority support for the no vote came from what are predominantly Ireland's socialists.
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First of all - thank you for linking us to Javno - Naked News is the best thing; I guess that is your favourite!
Nevertheless, can you kindly tell us which post you refer to? Thank you. Reference you understand. Why do you suppose that 54% of Ireland's electorate are socialists; rather patronising, that. Never heard of Irishmen? Or small d democrats?
I have to say that I find the stance of your response to Ireland's democracy in action irrelevant, because the Irish have not voted to leave the EU by any means. The have taken a stan d against the expansion of the super-state, the imposition of increased rule from Brussels into all areas of their lives. The removal of so much power from their national government. This is not the circumstance they undertook originally. They used their constitutional rights to remind their government and the EU that Ireland is still a democracy. Just as we would, given the chance; but our democracy has been temporarily suspended by Gordon Brown in this respect.
The EU has become a shameful, corrupt institution, the accounts of which have not been signed off for many years.
The Irish were told by their politicians that they themselves had not read the treaty, becuase it was too big, and that the public should not bother because they would not understand it. Just sign on the dotted line??
Accept the authoritarian , rather than the democratic line , should they?
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/48435/Brown-is-betraying-Britain-by-ignoring-Euro-no-vote
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/48327/Ireland-shows-us-how-to-protect-national-interest
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/47712/The-PM-must-honour-his-word-on-EU-referendum
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MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
On the contrary the Irish are free to vote anyway they like no arguments from me.
Of course the EU is also free to spend its money in any way it sees fit as well, the simple reality is that while the vote was "democratic" and all it was somewhat pointless as the measure will be enacted through the weight of other European nations.
I have to wonder why the UK is in the EU at all, clearly its support base lies on mainland Europe and I strongly expect thats who will eventually make it work. The easiest option to me would be for the UK to go off on its own, the EU can apply taxes on British products crossing the channel and everyone will be happy its not like either party actually needs the other.
And for the record I don't care who's website news comes from as long as it is credible.
Well - the French have rejected the treaty, the Dutch have done likewise, and now the Irish. Given the chance, people continue to demonstrate that they are against this stealthy creeping Federalism. By EU rules, just one of these results was to have killed the treaty. But like Mugabe, they choose to dismiss democratic votes.
The EU is a corrupt gravy train, with MEPs grabbing $700,000 per year, in salaries etc alone + gold- plated pensions. And the money you mention goes two ways believe me.
If you do not not care for democracy, then the EU is fine for you.
Apart from that, I tend to agree with your suggestions and your choice of website, on which I coplimented you earlier. I recommend the javno Naked News video.
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