This is why I support CCW

Padre said:
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Do people not really understand that it was already AGAINST THE LAW for Cho to HAVE his WEAPONS (handguns) ON CAMPUS...That stopped NOTHING....

You must be at least 21 in order to own a handgun in the US of A so no we are not talking about 18 year olds or 19 year olds running around with guns.
 
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Bugfatty said:
Call me a hard ass but I think they were tad bit slow in there actions.
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Prior to the shootings in Norris Hall the shootings in the dormitory were considered part of a domestic dispute and the investigation was centered around the idea that the killer was at large and probably in hiding. Once gunshots broke out in Norris Hall the police realized that this was bigger than a relatively simple double homicide and responded accordingly and swiftly.
 
Damien435 said:
Prior to the shootings in Norris Hall the shootings in the dormitory were considered part of a domestic dispute and the investigation was centered around the idea that the killer was at large and probably in hiding. Once gunshots broke out in Norris Hall the police realized that this was bigger than a relatively simple double homicide and responded accordingly and swiftly.
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So it took them 33 dead people to realize it? The dormitory and Norris Hall are a 15 minute WALK...So running should take what? 8 minutes? Death count and injured count probably would have been lower...
 
Mmhmm...And it took campus police HOW long to respond to the FIRST 9-1-1 call? If the first shootings took place at 1 PM(figuratively, these arent real times)then the second took place at 3, right? Well, 9-1-1 was called after the first shooting, at 1. So, if the police were at the dormitory investigating, and all of a sudden they found out shots were being fired at Norris, then why the hell didn't they get there faster and attempt to disarm said gunman?
 
Well, Henderson, they were also evacuating a campus with 28,000 students, it's not like they standing around not doing anything. Once you get to college you will have a better understanding of what is going on here, 32 dead is a tragedy but it could have been much worse. There were hundreds, if not thousands of students in that building at the time. These guys are street cops, not SWAT, not ****ing Delta Force, they can't just rush in there guns blazing to try and disarm this guys. And disarm? What the **** do you mean by disarm? Go in like Jackie Chan all quick and quiet and then in one move take both guns apart and kick the guy in the balls? On another forum I visit regularly there is a member who attends Va. Tech and was in a building right next to Norris Hall at the time. He kept posting on those forums every few minutes during the whole thing, first to say that there was a shooting in another dorm and that he was told to stay in his dorm and he was asking us if we knew anything because he didn't have cable and didn't know what was going on, specifically. Then when the shootings started in Norris Hall all hell broke loose. I can post all of his posts on here if you are interested, it will take up a bit of space though.
 
I never said they weren't doing anything...I saw videos of them huddling behind the trees. 33 are dead now, 28 are still injured, and the entire college will never be the same...Now, you're right, these guys are street cops, and I'm not putting this on the street cops, I'm putting this on SWAT that should have been there. Disarm...Shoot the pecker!
 
Should have been there, you mean they should have had a team of SWAT officers in Norris Hall that morning just in case someone brought a gun to class that day in particular? The police did everything right this time, and those who were huddling behind trees, they were helping to escort students out of the other buildings (ever hear of cover fire?) and they weren't the ones who were probably in Norris Hall at that very moment looking for the shooter and helping to evacuate the buildings, the camera's weren't allowed to get that close to the shooting.
 
Ordinary police come in after first call, figure its a domestic violence case, and start investigating. More shots are fired at Norris Hall, SWAT is called in. SWAT gets there reasonably fast, and crisis is reduced. I never saw more than squad cars pulling up...Course, by the time SWAT had gotten there, if the response time reflected the entire police dept. then the shooter would have killed himself by that time anyway.
 
C/1Lt Henderson said:
SWAT gets there reasonably fast..... I never saw more than squad cars pulling up
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SWAT is not a 24/7 military unit on standby. SWAT is something that must be called out. Not all SWAT officer sit in the stateion in full gear. Never happens.... most are regular full time officers and detectives that get called over the radio or from home or cell and are called out to the scene. Once there they get a briefing.

Hence why most PDs in South Florida are big supporters of RAT (Rapid Action Tactics)

Secondly.... You saw stock video footage from the shooting. The press only showed you something like 30 seconds of police action. You were not there, you do not know how many officers were on scene.
 
Either way, this is an entirely seperate argument from the idea that if at least teachers and other staff were allowed to concealed carry, then the incident would have at the very least been much less catastrophic.
 
Henderson, teachers and professors are overwhelmingly liberal (statistics back up my claim). What makes you think that if the staff had been allowed to carry weapons any of them actually would have?
 
*shrug* I don't know. Maybe none of them would even if they could...But campus police would then be allowed to as well...And you can bet your ass they'd have some heat.
 
Why was he able to purchase a firearm? Why did he have them on campus?

All of the above questions are answered with infractions/violations or more simply breaking the laws.

He was involuntarily admitted to a mental facility because of his actions in 2005, yet 30 days prior (est. to the incident) he purchased a 9mm Glock, against current federal gun control laws. Having his weapon on campus was against current VA state law. He broke federal and state laws, those laws did not stop what happened.

What I would like to know is why people think making something against the "law" well solve anything? History itself has proven that wrong far more than Freud has been debunked!
 
Gator said:
I know plenty of people who own Guns legally who believe in an Invisible Guy who lives in the sky, an Invisible Guy who controls everything in the Heavens and on the Earth, an Invisible Guy who made the Earth in 6 days, the same Invisible Guy who flooded the entire Earth a mere 6000 some odd years ago, telling Noah beforehand to build one Ship and load up 2 of each animal and then load his family aboard, then have to repopulate the entire Earth, I guess just going from continent to continent dropping off Animals and People.
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His name is God, not Invisible Guy. He's not live in sky. He's in HEAVEN. For your correction. Dismissed.

Thanks,
Ex-Cadet Lieutenant Junior Grade Fox, NJROTC and Plank Owner.
 
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