Del Boy stop spamming this thread.

Neither me nor anyone else is interested in ancient Israel as it supplies NO claim, just because Jews lived there a 1000 years ago is no justification for their nazi racist colonization built on murder and expulsions of the locals.

Edit.

If Jews consisted 47% minority in just one district of the city being completely absent in others then they most ceirtanly abandoned the city and the land and thus Palestinians had every right to settle in the empty region.

Originally Posted by MontyB

However what is done is done even

Absolutely not, Jews need to leave the region, those who were native (aka tropical Jews) should be allowed to stay, those who refuse should be killed, problem solved.

Thats of course pure fantasy but it reflects my position, that Nazi bunch cannot and should not be given the privelige of "actions done" if my country (Poland) did the same we would be forever lost, instead we waited for the moment of weakness to re-emerge after WW2.

Personally i think that Jews in Israel live on a prolonged death sentence, the moment their time of weakness comes (and it always comes for everyone) they'll be killed off by their neighbours and i'll watch it without pleasure but knowing that every Jew who chose to build his life on the ruins of the lives of the locals deserved death.

F*ckers like Del Boy justified that Poland should not be allowed to be a country and that the neighbouring powers had every right to do it, "whats done is done" was also a big argument out there, so i fully understand and support Palestinians, Jewish women and children die? Then dont bring your family to the land that belongs to others, simple as that, otherwise they're nothing but a part of ocupying force regardless of age and sex and they need to die.

Sounds like terrorism eh? Not for a man who's home and indepence has been torn from him just because the "chosen" felt like it, Poland was in the exact same situation so no i dont believe there's any solution apart from death or expulsion of every Jew in the region, politically incorrect but true.

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

On a more serious note Del Boy, even if we were to adopt your nazi twisted logic by which people who left willingly have a right to take back their former homes after a 1000 years killing the native population, Jews are not Jews.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/...s/tttribe.html

This point has been raised time and time again, most modern Jews are converted Khazars not bibilical Israelites.

The point is of course moot since you're yet to prove Jews have any claim to the land they stole from the native population apart from being a bunch of racist neo nazis riding the holocaust guilt wave and US lobbies they engineered themselves.

"nazi twisted logic"? Please quote me such. You must be joking - I have opposed and confronted nazis all my life, and I can spot one when I come across one, and believe me, I ain't the nazi here.

As for your rubbish link, typical of your dodgy stuff, here is what you need to know, as a know-nothing on the subject :-


Koestler himself was sympathetic to Zionism on secular considerations, and did not see alleged Khazar ancestry as diminishing the claim of Jews to Israel, which he felt was based on the United Nations mandate.



And anyway, this Khazar theory – The Thirteenth Tribe… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics. Genetic studies now show that Askenazi Jews ARE of Middle Eastern origin, as are the Separdi.

Koestler's historiography has been attacked as highly questionable by many historians. It has also been pointed out that his discussion of theories about Ashkenazi descent is largely unsupported; to the extent that Koestler referred to place-names and documentary evidence his analysis has been described as a mixture of flawed etymologies and misinterpreted primary sources.[6] Commentators have also noted that Koestler mischaracterized the sources he cited, particularly D.M. Dunlop's History of the Jewish Khazars (1954).[7]
For example, Bernard Lewis wrote This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.



Recent genetic studies

A 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al. indicates that the Y chromosomes of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, including Turkic peoples, yet are uncommon in the general European population. These results strongly suggest that most male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews can be traced primarily to the Middle East.
A second study (2006) by Behar et al., based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), also indicates that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four "founder lineages" were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.

I told you to stop spamming didnt i?

Give all of us a clear reply instead of ratting away into strawman posts, by what right did Jews take the lands, homes and resources of the native population?

Also being Jewish gives you no claim to Israel because what is there is Palestine, inhabited by Palestinians for 900 years, owned by Palestinians for 900 years (though governed by other powers), so answer clearly, do you believe that Jews were justified in murdering, stealing and expelling the native population based on the fact that they lived there a 1000 years ago?

panzercracker, u are spewing somes serious hate here lol....JEWS DESERVE DEATH!!!

the palestinians weren't there for 900 years. most of them immigrarted after the jews came and turned the wasteland into a booming economy. So most of the palestinians came after the jews.

they never consodered themselves a seperate people either. they were outraged in the 1920s when they were seperated from syria, as they considered themselves part of "greater syria".

all in all, i can see that most of you don't think the jewish people have any right to their ancestral homeland where they lived over 1000 years, and maintained a presence in throughout history, and always yeared to return to.

honestly, israel makes up less than 1% of the arab world, and the jews do have a claim to it....it is the only democracy in the region, arabs, even palestinians, have the best living conditions out of any arabs in the arab world.

it isn't such a bad evil country like you guys wanna believe.

its no mini nazi germany. thats simply ridiculous.

but maybe you guys believe that we kill palestinians for their organs, like some people do in sweden?

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

I told you to stop spamming didnt i?

Give all of us a clear reply instead of ratting away into strawman posts, by what right did Jews take the lands, homes and resources of the native population?

Also being Jewish gives you no claim to Israel because what is there is Palestine, inhabited by Palestinians for 900 years, owned by Palestinians for 900 years (though governed by other powers), so answer clearly, do you believe that Jews were justified in murdering, stealing and expelling the native population based on the fact that they lived there a 1000 years ago?

First of all, do not give me instructions, when you are big enough you will be too old. And BTW, your above post is simplistic tripe, already dealt with in my previous, clearly and precisely. I do not accept your scenario at all, whereas I have always understood both sides of the prevailing problem.

Let us get this clear, I have not spammed at all.

What I have done is produce proof of the fact that Israel's claim to exist in their homeland is legitimate by establishing firmly that they inhabited it for 3,400 years at least, that their kingdoms flourished and their capital of Jerusalem was entrenched and recognised; that they were only driven from that repeatedly by force alone, and continually returned and re-established themselves; that they maintained a presence in spite of holocaust, dispersion and exile; that they were only ever removed by the imposition of great power and force, not by their own choice; that at 1917 this was still the case. And that, you must face, is not spamming.

You wish to shut me and my flow of evidence up; you cannot cope with the dates and events of historical record, because it destroys your crude mud-throwing piece by piece.

My only initial point was that Israel has a legitimate claim to their homeland , and as I said I would , I have clearly established this.

In my opinion, the politics of the region from 1917 I have not yet touched on, and I have said in the past that these are matters which must be the subject of negotiation and agreement between the parties. A search for a long-term political settlement, which obviously is something very important and difficult to achieve.

This is why idiotic bandwaggoning by the likes of yourself are better dealt with down at my local pub, where at least ignorance is not bliss.

Anyone who compares the Israelis with the Nazi regime of the Third Reich
requires a strict reality check, or a brainscan, or a complete head transplant. Dream on.

If you wish to dispute my lists of relevant facts and figures, they are there before you.

The politics of post -1917, are a different matter; but I certainly am not of the opinion that you are a worthwhile commentator on the issues involved.

Again you did not respond but provided a pile of spam completely irrelevant to the point of murder, theft and ejecting the local population by Israeli Jews.

Please answer the question without resorting to strawmans calculated to avoid it, is there anything that gave Jews any moral or legal right to murder, steal and exile people who lived in the region for 900 years?

If there is something that gave Jews a mandate to kill abuse and displace people to whom the land belonged for nearly a millenium please tell us what is it?

As for comparing Israeli Jews to Nazis, Israel is an incredibly racist state, Palestinians are locked in Ghettos, denied many basic rights and resources, murdered, their houses are demolished by bulldozers and the Israeli policy is basically to eject them from the region by any means (including genocide) neccesary, if there was ever a moral descendant of the 3rd Reich its Israel.

The only difference is that Israel thrives on publicity and needs a good one therefore its often softcore in the intensity of said activities, but unlike Palestinians who are justified in killing Jews since they're basically fighting an invading force Jews have no moral claim even in this fight.

All of these arguments and discussions are ABSOLUTELY USELESS.

The Palestinians will NEVER have a homeland UNLESS the terrorism ceases and the Palestinians renounce their aim of wiping Israel from the map. Unless/until this happens, Israel (and others - including 'most' of the free country members of the UN), will NEVER allow the Palestinians to announce the formation of a homeland .. nor recognize a Palestinian homeland.

panzer listen to yourself talk...you are incredibly anti semetic...."justified in killing jews"...you disgust me, i hope you think deep and hard about your hate and prejudice...for it shows...

according to you i should be massacred and murdered because i returned to my homeland...sherman should be killed, darkgreensoldier should be murdered...you are sick panzer, completely sick....

this one should be locked, i got the feeling somebody gonna bash his keyboard on his monitor soon. please save panzer some money...

Originally Posted by benaakatz

panzer listen to yourself talk...you are incredibly anti semetic...."justified in killing jews"...you disgust me, i hope you think deep and hard about your hate and prejudice...for it shows...

I'm not anti-semitic i'm realistic, Jews came and took the homes of the locals, anyone who comes to take from others by force of arms deserves death.

The families who settle in the lands their husbands, fathers and sons forced out of deserve death.

I will not yield to a disgusting wrong and i will not be sidetracked by false accusations of anti-semitism, every Jew who lives on the property he took by force deserves to die just like every other thief and invader regardless of nationality.

Originally Posted by benaakatz

according to you i should be massacred and murdered because i returned to my homeland...sherman should be killed, darkgreensoldier should be murdered...you are sick panzer, completely sick....

No, according to me you should be given an opportunity to go to the Palestinians, beg their forgivness for the land your people stole from them, for years of racist occupation, theft and abuse they had to endure in their own homeland which you made your by strenght of arms, then you should give them back whats their and leave.

If you refused then yes you should be killed like any invading thief regardless of time in history or ethnicity.

Every Jewish family living in Palestine for the past 100 years should be allowed to remain, every Jewish family coming there post WW2 should be forced to leave under the pain of death, there must be no tolerance for this kind of barbarism.

Also Ben you never returned to Israel, your family have never lived in Israel since most Jewish families do not have 900 years of continouity so you or your family moved there for the first time, as invaders and occupants no less (thats unless you're a tropical Jew in which case thats your home and there's no argument from me then).