Why don't the palestinians have a state yet? - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
August 14th, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Having said that, the location of the creation of the Jewish State was a huge mistake.
But there is no where else it could have happened, they have literally no claim to anywhere else in the world and the only claim they do have to the Middle East is a biblical one which wouldn't stand up in court or anywhere else that sanity prevails.

The simple reality is that had the British grown a nut sack and actually deported all the illegal immigrants back to Europe where they came from in 1945 there would be no major issues in the region (sure the Arabs would still be killing each other but hey its their dirt who cares).

But here is the situation as I see it now:
1) The Palestinians are not going to accept some piecemeal state that can not defend itself and is made up of half a dozen worthless chunks of land.

2) Israel is there to stay (No matter whether you believe it should have ever been created in the first place or not).

Now the challenge is really to understand these factors and come up with a solution, my bet is that it is going to involve Israel handing over a lot more land than they are currently offering and it will involve a fairly sizable demilitarised zone that will have to be provided by both parties.

In the end it would be a huge undertaking and to be honest I just don't believe either side is prepared to actually do what it takes to reach a fair compromise.
August 14th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
If the reason for the formation of the state of Israel was as a result of the holocaust, why wasn't part of Germany given to the Jews as reparation? Why rob some perfectly innocent people of their homeland?

If your home was desroyed by your neighbour,that would not give me the right to give you the home of another totally unrelated person just because i am sorry for you.

I'm afraid that US and Israeli propaganda has poisoned the minds of otherwise normal people and it is continuing to do so, although there have been signs of some guilt showing in the US more recently with the US asking that Israel stop building further "settlements" on Arab lands. You will also note that Israel effectively told the US to mind their own business. Allies,... Huh!
August 14th, 2009  
Arabian Boy
 
 
By the way According to the DNA tests Most of these Jews are not real Jews!! how many of them carry haplogroup J1..? they are Carries European haplogroups
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Boots
August 14th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Giving them a part of Germany would have put them too close to the folks who had done such a great job of killing them off in the millions.
A piece of Canada or Alaska would have done the job just as well.
August 14th, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arabian Boy
By the way According to the DNA tests Most of these Jews are not real Jews!! how many of them carry haplogroup J1..? they are Carries European haplogroups
But that isn't uncommon anywhere in the world that has been colonised by Europeans (New Zealand/Australia/North America via Britain, South America via the Spanish and Portuguese) and when you consider that Judaism is a religion not a race it is even less surprising.

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Giving them a part of Germany would have put them too close to the folks who had done such a great job of killing them off in the millions.
A piece of Canada or Alaska would have done the job just as well.
Bah I say let them have the East Coast USA.

Seriously why would Canada or anyone want to give up territory to European refugees that simply refuse to go home, what makes you think the same problem wouldn't exist no matter where you put them?
August 14th, 2009  
Arabian Boy
 
 
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But that isn't uncommon anywhere in the world that has been colonised by Europeans (New Zealand/Australia/North America via Britain, South America via the Spanish and Portuguese) and when you consider that Judaism is a religion not a race it is even less surprising.

I just want to say that they do not have a historical claims. Nevertheless, the real owners of the land had been expelled..!! the Right must be due to their owners




August 14th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Giving them a part of Germany would have put them too close to the folks who had done such a great job of killing them off in the millions.
A piece of Canada or Alaska would have done the job just as well.
I can't see where your idea comes from, the Jews would have been near or in their actual homes and been surrounded by a subjugated and for the most part remorseful population. The land could have been partitioned off and the population given the choice to either remain under Jewish rule or migrate to the remainder of Germany. This would also have been seen by most of the world to be a part of a fair and just reparation. It would also have made it much easier for them to reclaim lost and stolen property taken during the war.
August 14th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arabian Boy
I just want to say that they do not have a historical claims -snip-
Of course you no doubt realise that this "claim" is only recognised by selective sections of the christian world. Thought processes like that are enough to put anyone off ever wanting to have any connection with being a christian.
August 14th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
I can't see where your idea comes from, the Jews would have been near or in their actual homes and been surrounded by a subjugated and for the most part remorseful population. The land could have been partitioned off and the population given the choice to either remain under Jewish rule or migrate to the remainder of Germany. This would also have been seen by most of the world to be a part of a fair and just reparation. It would also have made it much easier for them to reclaim lost and stolen property taken during the war.
If 6 million of your folks were killed in death camps run by the Germans, I don't think you'd be very crazy about setting up shop right next to them.
August 14th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
If 6 million of your folks were killed in death camps run by the Germans, I don't think you'd be very crazy about setting up shop right next to them.
Why? I have already explained that this would have been the perfect solution,... well maybe not "perfect", but it would have been better for all concerned including the Jews.

If it were me, I'd think that it was "justice", especially when you see what the attitude was to the Jews by the Germans after the war. It would have been the German people who were uncomfortable, not the Jews.

About 40 of "my" relatives did go to the gas chambers/shot/starved/beaten to death, or whatever.
 


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