Oh man... Ok Del Boy i apologise for all of these, i admit my mistakes, i'm a bad bad man, i'm not going to let you strawman this into a flame war, so i'm sorry i admit i'm wrong with calling you racist and i concede that i was wrong with all these statements now can you answer the question you have been ignoring through how many pages now?

Now can you please answer my question which you have now ignored for the seventh time.

Do Jews have a right to keep the property taken from Palestinians by force? Yes/No?

I even sent you a PM with this exact question and you ignored it, come on dont be dishonest, you have an opinion stand by it, tell us what you think.

I dont know about racism but you're definitely a coward buddy, i've never seen anyone rat around a question like that.

How many damn times do the Palestinians have to be offered land for a home country???

As has been stated in other posts, the Palestinians have had numerous chances to have a homeland and turned it down.

Based upon that alone, how many times does an offer have to be tendered (with them turning it down),

before the Israelis and the world says to hell with them ...

let them wander in the wilderness.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

How many damn times do the Palestinians have to be offered land for a home country???

As has been stated in other posts, the Palestinians have had numerous chances to have a homeland and turned it down.

Based upon that alone, how many times does an offer have to be tendered (with them turning it down),

before the Israelis and the world says to hell with them ...

let them wander in the wilderness.

What do you mean "offered" land? If I "offered you part usage of your own house, would you accept it?

You conveniently seem to overlook that the land actually belongs to them, why should they have to accept an "offer" of the more useless parts of it while others have the choice land given to them. (by people who did not own it in the first place)
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Originally Posted by Panzercracker

Oh man... Ok Del Boy i apologise for all of these, i admit my mistakes, i'm a bad bad man, i'm not going to let you strawman this into a flame war, so i'm sorry i admit i'm wrong with calling you racist and i concede that i was wrong with all these statements now

Don't worry, DB has absolutely no idea what a Straw man is.

I must admit that I didn't know that this ploy had a name myself, until MontyB first raised it, although I did understand the concept.

Most of those things you said were in fact alluded to by DB, or could be deduced from DBs line of debate, the fact that he never actually said them is irrelevant. Some of your judgements may have been subjective, but that does not mean that they are untrue.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

How many damn times do the Palestinians have to be offered land for a home country???

As has been stated in other posts, the Palestinians have had numerous chances to have a homeland and turned it down.

Based upon that alone, how many times does an offer have to be tendered (with them turning it down),

before the Israelis and the world says to hell with them ...

let them wander in the wilderness.

You mean how many times Palestinians have been offered a part of their former lands in exchange for accepting the Israeli theft of most of their homeland?

Would you accept Jews letting you stay in New York as long as they keep the rest of United States?

Yes Palestinians have been given numerous chances to accept the situation where they get to keep only small part of their own land and Jews get to keep most of what they stole in the name of US and Jews saying so.

Where's the logic? Why would Palestinians agree to conceed to a thiefs demand when all of the land is rightfully theirs?

@Also Del Boy.

Still being a little coward about my question?

@Sen.

I have my own opinion of Del Boy and what he is but he will inevitably use any and all posts where i get personal to avoid answering the question about morality of Israel existing on the stolen lands so i'm going to agree apologize and not give him a chance to rat out.

He might choose to ignore it but this way he just humilites himself in the eyes of people who read it as nothing short of a little coward.

I probably shouldn't get into this one but I just can't resist
Just to stir the post a little I have to ask, don't any of you believe in God? Remember back when this Moses dude led the Jews out of Egypt? H led them doing your Gods will and led them to the promised land. They even made a few movies about it. So.......basically doesn't God trump everybody else? I always thought if he said "live here" there wasn't a hellofa lot you could do about it.

Originally Posted by wolfen

I probably shouldn't get into this one but I just can't resist
Just to stir the post a little I have to ask, don't any of you believe in God? Remember back when this Moses dude led the Jews out of Egypt? H led them doing your Gods will and led them to the promised land. They even made a few movies about it. So.......basically doesn't God trump everybody else? I always thought if he said "live here" there wasn't a hellofa lot you could do about it.

I shouldn't even fall for rubbish like this, but I will just say, "that is typical of the type of reasoning that has bought all of this mess about".

Next time you are in court, tell the judge that god told you to do it, and see whether he believes in god. Nobody who has taken the time to actually think about how ridiculous religion is, believes in a man in the sky who is supposedly omnipotent, yet he can't solve the simplest of problems.

I just spent close to one hour going through this thread and I'm closing it for a minimum of one week.

You all need to chill out and calm down, especially Del Boy.


CLOSED

To all participants of the thread locked by TomTom (i imagine it was locked because most of the people were disaproving of Israel but that USA for you - if you're Jewish every reason to shut peoples mouths is good as long as they're negative about you, having american pets to do it for you is even better).

@TomTom would you close the thread if it was about Iran or Iraq?

We have managed to reach an agreement with Del Boy.

After being asked whether Israeli Jews should be allowed to stay in stolen property i received the following answer:

As a life-long committed Christian, I believe that any injustice should be investigated and recompense made where necessary, and as a life-long committed Christian I pray for peace and prosperity for all in the Middle East.


So Del Boy as a life commited Christian finally admitted that Jews who live on stolen property should leave and return it to the rightfull owners in accordance with the commandment "you shall not steal"!

After all how could a commited christian suffer thieves living on stolen property?!

Right Del Boy?

PANZERCRACKER.

If you insist on this, you must not LIE so obviously.


Here is my actual answer to your PM question :-


"As a life-long committed Christian, I believe that any injustice should be investigated and recompense made where necessary, and as a life-long committed Christian I pray for peace and prosperity for all in the Middle East.

In achieving peace the claims of both parties will be put considered.

Meanwhile blood-shed should cease.


I am no coward, now you have apologized I will communicate with you. All my posts reflect the answer I have given here. Do I differentiate between Jew and Arab- definitely not, one man is as good as the next. The rights of both parties should be protected. "
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Since when I have received another 3 abusive PMs, haven't I? One of which directed me to this thread.

I'm done here.

Well if you're a commited Christian as i am you obviously must condemn theft, Israelis stole the land therefore you agree with me that they must return all that they stole and we're both in agreement with our commandment "thou shall not steal".

Its not a lie, either you're a Christian and condemn theft, in this case done by Jews but also every theft or you're not that commited.

So if i understood you fine you agreed with me that Jews must give back the stolen property