Why communists statets are still alive?

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sandy

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You guys think communists as evil,right?
So,why communists are evil?
At first,know　 Class strife and World Revolution they love this phrases
They think"killing people who have different thought is right."
Don't try to understand such thinking.
This is religion,absolute henotheism.
Once,anyone tried to escape from communists state,
For example,look at north korea.
Examine is・・・・ needless.
That hungry land.
It's said over 3million people were dead in 1990's and more people were killed in reeducation camps.
And cambodia・・・・・still・・・・・not many people can't tell about Pol Pot group　got power in 1975・・・
They killed three million　people just in 3monthes.(Population of cambodia was 7million before that・・・・)
Am,I thought this was a ridiculous　complete hogwash・・・who can believed that?・・・・But unfortunetely it was true.
And mao・・・・・・・who knows?
At least,50 million were killed and still many people in china believe　he was a person of justice.
What a beautiful land of mao freaks・・・・
Don't blame me,in china many youngs believe cultural revolution era was wonderful.
From my view,maoizm is　the worst combining　chinese sino-centrism and Communism.(These days,wonderful nationalism joined)
This is chimera.
Fortunetely,I'm a varvalian from their view and not affected by them.
Know,they have no words like harmony or friendship or understanding.
Varvalians and superior han people
Capitalists and Workers.
Can you believe?These days they use Reset Taiwan.

In other words,Kill or sent people of taiwan to reeducation centers　as Mao did in china.
Now,this is very populor phrase between radical youngs of china.
I hope I'm wrong about translation.
You think me Anti-china and lying?
Oh,I wonder how wonderful if you're right・・・・・・・
Sometimes,I'm getting angry about　communists in american movie.
I was not so worried about communist if they were so kindness as hollywood movie.
 
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What do varvalian and henotheism mean?

Reset Taiwan? Is that seriously how the 'Taiwan problem' is referred to?
 
It's scary to think that sometimes some of the things you hear happening in Russia make you wonder if Putin and his buddies are trying to make things go back to the old ways of Communist Russia....
 
Sandy, your question can be categorized as most Americans would say a stupid question. You do not wish to understand. You only wish to speak.

There is no clear and definitive answer why Communism still dominates the politics of other nations. Whatever garbage you have read lately, it is clear you are under the influence of the right-wing Nationalists in Japan.

Nevertheless, you and your clowns are losing credibility due to your lack of respect to historical facts and political sensitivity. I suggest you to shut it before you embarrass yourself like Taro Aso and PM Abe did in their latest comments on "comfort women" and "birth machines".
 
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Communism is still in power because there are those in other nations that have nothing. When someone comes into power and tells them that they can have everything without working for it people believe in the lie and support the movement. But once they figure it out it becomes to late.

Basicily it is because there are those that want everything without working for it.

If you live in a village with no power or running water and someone tells you that you'll have a new house with running water, indoor plumbing, power with AC and heater you'll mor ethan likely support him/her before you figure it out that it was all a lie. Why? Because these people think that the world owes them all something. Instead of them realizing that to make it ibn life and to have what you want that you have to work for it.
 
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Communism is still in power because there are those in other nations that have nothing. When someone comes into power and tells them that they can have everything without working for it people believe in the lie and support the movement. But once they figure it out it becomes to late.

Basicily it is because there are those that want everything without working for it.

If you live in a village with no power or running water and someone tells you that you'll have a new house with running water, indoor plumbing, power with AC and heater you'll mor ethan likely support him/her before you figure it out that it was all a lie. Why? Because these people think that the world owes them all something. Instead of them realizing that to make it ibn life and to have what you want that you have to work for it.
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Well said Luis, well said.
Its one of these things in life that sounds wonderful on paper but human nature such as it is mucks it up in the real world. So as long as there are uneducated masses that believe the hype there will be people to support such a scheme as communism.
 
5.56X45mm said:
Communism is still in power because there are those in other nations that have nothing. When someone comes into power and tells them that they can have everything without working for it people believe in the lie and support the movement. But once they figure it out it becomes to late.

Basicily it is because there are those that want everything without working for it.

If you live in a village with no power or running water and someone tells you that you'll have a new house with running water, indoor plumbing, power with AC and heater you'll mor ethan likely support him/her before you figure it out that it was all a lie. Why? Because these people think that the world owes them all something. Instead of them realizing that to make it ibn life and to have what you want that you have to work for it.
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That is your answer. There are six billion answers to a single question.

Why does Communism appeal to many people? Why does Capitalism appeal to many people?

My answer is this. Communist Parties gain power because, like all political parties, have one goal: to gain power. All political parties have a their own perspective, theories, and ideologies, which are all shaped by their environment they live in.

Yes, it is evident Communist Leaders lie. So do other politicians and the reason why Communist States exist simply because they are authoritarian one party states following the theories set by Karl Marx.

And finally there is no such thing as "But once they figure it out it becomes to late." In mankind's history, we have proven ourselves that we do not sit idle to a great idea. Remember the Orange Revolution. Remember the Fall of the Soviet Union. Remember Deng Xiao Peng. Communism today is simply an idea of how the state regulate the economy.

Just recently China is undergoing possibly another revolution: Property Deeds and Property rights

Once in full practice, is China still Communist?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1599932,00.html?xid=rss-world
 
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Sandy, your question can be categorized as most Americans would say a stupid question. You do not wish to understand. You only wish to speak.

There is no clear and definitive answer why Communism still dominates the politics of other nations. Whatever garbage you have read lately, it is clear you are under the influence of the right-wing Nationalists in Japan.

Nevertheless, you and your clowns are losing credibility due to your lack of respect to historical facts and political sensitivity. I suggest you to shut it before you embarrass yourself like Taro Aso and PM Abe did in their latest comments on "comfort women" and "birth machines".
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Am I under influence of the right wing?
I thought I was under influence of left-wing so many years.
My teachers wanted me to be a"good communist" but I finally learned myself from Das Kapital(That was difficult and long) and became a good anti-communist.
comfort women?
Thosedays,korea was poor country and parents sold many daughters as *****.
Tou don't know how much you call "comfort woman" gain money.
And from my view,There are so many"comfort woman" in korea and china.
・・・・They should spent money for these poor women not for Russian weapons or "Sunshine policy"
・・・・・I can't understand why roh-moohyon is the president of Republic of korea・・・・he is ・・・he is・・・
"birth machines"?
You picked up a part of words and didn't think about all what he talked.
I don't like to say "Birth machine"but・・・
Communists alike you didn't understand Das Kapital but thought themself as "Clever and superior leaders of people"(No!I don't talk about Liberal!)
Learn yourself and judge yourself.
 
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"When someone comes into power and tells them that they can have everything without working for it people believe in the lie and support the movement. But once they figure it out it becomes to late."

Where on earth did you get the idea that Communism is based on "have everything without working for it". Communism is based on shared owning of whats produced and to only produce whats needed.
 
Kind of funny when some one from the "West" tries to tell someone from the "East" how their area works and in the process insults them....

Shows great intelligence*

Please note that is extreme sarcasim
 
Am I under influence of the right wing?
I thought I was under influence of left-wing so many years.
My teachers wanted me to be a"good communist" but I finally learned myself from Das Kapital(That was difficult and long) and became a good anti-communist.
comfort women?
Thosedays,korea was poor country and parents sold many daughters as *****.
Tou don't know how much you call "comfort woman" gain money.
And from my view,There are so many"comfort woman" in korea and china.
・・・・They should spent money for these poor women not for Russian weapons or "Sunshine policy"
・・・・・I can't understand why roh-moohyon is the president of Republic of korea・・・・he is ・・・he is・・・
"birth machines"?
You picked up a part of words and didn't think about all what he talked.
I don't like to say "Birth machine"but・・・
Communists alike you didn't understand Das Kapital but thought themself as "Clever and superior leaders of people"(No!I don't talk about Liberal!)
Learn yourself and judge yourself.
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Good for you. Nevertheless I must remind you that Karl Marx's works are based on his ideas which all are shaped by the social changes in Europe during the Industrial Revolution. It is a good social analysis of the late 1800's, however it is obsolete. Born from the basis of Karl Marx's ideas comes about Neosocialism, which is more up to date and highly regarded.

I see no point of continuing this conversation about "comfort women", however suggesting that comfort women volunteered is accepting one part of the story and denying the other part. What you have done is reveal the so-called "justifications" from the outside and conceal the dirty truth inside.

This can lead to serious provocations (historical documents clearly suggest that a large portion of these women were forcefully dragged into these brothels and the treatment of these women constitutes a Human Rights Violation). This term is related to the treatment of women in the second world war and it is absolutely wrong to relate the term to present day prostitutes. This kind of denial will continue to aggravate the already brittle relationship with certain countries, ie China and Korea, a type of denial which I consider is either irrational or even blatantly nationalistic.

If you continue to deny this fact, there is no point in arguing with you further because of your blatant rejection to testimonies, authentic historical documents, and your continuous inventions about Japan's involvement in the Second World War.

Lastly let me remind you I am not a Communist. But your discussion about Communism is no less a drive to swipe at nations you don't like and I can clearly see it. You can criticize Korea, China, comfort women, rant about their nationalism and ethnocentrism, and their "inconveniences" all you want but you are crossing the line.

Right, Tiananmen Square worked out so well....
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I agree. The incident undermined the position of the Communist Party internationally and domestically.
 
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AlexKall said:
"When someone comes into power and tells them that they can have everything without working for it people believe in the lie and support the movement. But once they figure it out it becomes to late."

Where on earth did you get the idea that Communism is based on "have everything without working for it". Communism is based on shared owning of whats produced and to only produce whats needed.
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True that... nobody ever said anything about not working for it. It is a perfect system for a perfect utopian world. Too bad we dont live on that planet. I'm sure if human nature didnt kick in, and everybody worked for EVERYBODY ELSE'S good, (which is what socialism is...not personal good for no work), we would all, to put it in my old history teachers words, be wearing red underpants with little yellow sickles on them.
 
CABAL said:
Lastly let me remind you I am not a Communist. But your discussion about Communism is no less a drive to swipe at nations you don't like and I can clearly see it. You can criticize Korea, China, comfort women, rant about their nationalism and ethnocentrism, and their "inconveniences" all you want but you are crossing the line.
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From Newsweek

April 2, 2007 issue - History is a hot topic in Japan these days, with the country's wartime behavior returning to haunt its citizens. Many Japanese are dismayed by the possibility that the U.S. House of Representatives will soon demand a formal apology from Tokyo for the imperial military's alleged use of "comfort women," or sex slaves, during World War II. This talk has taken the Japanese government by surprise, especially given its unprecedented support for Washington in Iraq and the war onterrorism.
The world can't comprehend why Japan is reluctant to say sorry once more. But most Japanese can't understand why issues like the comfort women or the Nanking Massacre have resurfaced at all. Since World War II, the country has abided by the pacifism forced on it by the U.S. occupation. To promote such peacefulness, the Japanese media and intellectuals created an image of Japan as a warlike place that had to be prevented from rearming at all costs. To heighten the danger, the media also exaggerated or even invented wretched acts supposedly committed by Japan's imperial forces.In the first years after the nation's surrender in 1945, many of its citizens found this imposed meekness hard to take. In 1952, for example, the Diet unanimously called for the men convicted by the Allied war-criminal trials to be treated the same as those honorably killed or injured on the battlefield. Half of Japan's then population signed petitions calling for the immediate release of incarcerated war criminals, and the major political parties of the day refused to accept any war guilt.
By the 1970s, however, this resistance began to diminish as memories of the war faded and the economy began to boom. Intoxicated by its unprecedented affluence, Japan was willing to ask forgiveness of its neighbors if this proved good for business. In 1993, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono apologized for Japan's having coerced women into prostitution during the war. Three years later, on the 50th anniversary of Japan's surrender, the Socialist Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama acknowledged that Japanese aggression during the war had caused "tremendous damage and suffering" to many Asian countries.
In recent years, however, long-dormant nationalism has begun to rise again due to several factors. First, during the economic slump that extended into the early part of this decade, the benefits of apologizing became less clear. Second, the conservative prime minister, Shinzo Abe, is 53, and the bulk of his cabinet and aides are in their 40s and 50s. Most don't understand why they should do penance for events that occurred before they were born.
Japanese nationalism has also been revived by China's alarming military buildup and North Korea's nascent nuclear threat. And it has spiked in response to the way Japan's neighbors seem to be exploiting bad history for present gain. Seoul did not even raise the comfort-women issue, for example, when it normalized relations with Tokyo in 1965; it was Japanese leftists who finally broached the topic in the 1980s.
The fact is that the brothels were commercial establishments. U.S. Army records explicitly declare that the comfort women were prostitutes, and found no instances of "kidnapping" by the Japanese authorities. It's also worth noting that some 40 percent of these women were of Japanese origin.Many Japanese politicians have also come to believe that the Nanking Massacre was a fabrication of the Chinese, who are using it to pressure Japan into granting concessions in other areas. More than 60 Diet members conducted several study sessions in February and March. Much evidence disproving the massacre was presented; for example, although the Chinese Nationalist Ministry of Information conducted more than 300 press conferences over 11 months after the fall of Nanking, it never breathed a word about any massacre. Nor did Chiang Kai-shek or Mao Zedong refer to it in statements on the first anniversary of the war.
Diet members are now forming a new caucus to study the facts. Whatever they find, further apologies are unlikely. The country's attitude has changed dramatically since the 1970s. In recent decades, for example, many Japanese history textbooks blamed Japanese forces for massacring 200,000 to 300,000 Chinese civilians in Nanking. Only one textbook mentions such events today. Saluting the rising-sun flag and singing the national anthem (the title of which translates as "Your Noble Reign") have become mandatory in public schools. These are small but telling signs of how Japan's sentiments have changed. The country is eager to resume its place in the world as a normal nation, with a normal defense and foreign policy. The harder its neighbors or the United States push it for apologies, the harder Japan may start pushing back.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17770834/site/newsweek/page/2/
And I have more sources for you.
For examples・・・・・

From CNN
Lee Yong-soo, 78, a South Korean who was interviewed during a recent trip to Tokyo,
said she was 14 when Japanese soldiers took her from her home in 1944 to work
as a sex slave in Taiwan.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/03/japan.sexslaves.ap/
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From　United Statets House of Representatives
[FONT=&quot]Statement of[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Lee Yong-soo[/FONT]​

In the autumn of 1944, when I was 16 years old, my friend, Kim Punsun, and I were
collecting shellfish at the riverside when we noticed an elderly man and a Japanese man
looking down at us form the hillside......
A few days later, Punsun knocked on my window early in the morning,
and whispered to me to follow her quietly. I tip-toed out of the house after her.

http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/110/lee021507.htm
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I showed you these sources,You should show me your source.
 
CABAL said:
My answer is this. Communist Parties gain power because, like all political parties, have one goal: to gain power.
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There are two steps with Communism, 1) To gain power and 2) To keep the power.

Once the power is gained they must keep the power; and the elitism is a result of power control, inherited power and positions. This way the power is kept under strickt control and the regime can continue until the external powers are too strong and a revolt is inevitable. Like Perestroika and Glasnost, which was the political beginning of the end for the Soviet Union.
 
fingolfin361 said:
True that... nobody ever said anything about not working for it. It is a perfect system for a perfect utopian world. Too bad we dont live on that planet. I'm sure if human nature didnt kick in, and everybody worked for EVERYBODY ELSE'S good, (which is what socialism is...not personal good for no work), we would all, to put it in my old history teachers words, be wearing red underpants with little yellow sickles on them.
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Are you serious???

That's why it worked so well for Russia, those people stood in lines to be able to have the privilege of spending their last money on some bread and TP....

Your everybody working for the good of everybody else is capitalism. But when you have wealth distribution by the government; you know when you work hard make a bunch of money and they take it from you and give it to some one that doesn't work hard and doesn't earn a lot of money, that is what I do not like.
 
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END OF DISCUSSION ABOUT COMFORT WOMEN. Make it clear I'm not going to argue you any further about this.

Your source sucks. Using commentaries written by Hideaki Kase and whatever his/her's opinions as sources suggests you need a refresher course on historical research. The CNN article you quoted have revealed a value which I find most irritating.

Where there's demand, businesses crop up ... but to say women were forced by the Japanese military into service is off the mark," he said. "This issue must be reconsidered, based on truth ... for the sake of Japanese honor.
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In what honor is there to revise history? During the 1970's, our Chancellor Willy Brandt gave a subtle but powerful apology to the victims of Nazis War aggression. I remembered Schroder called for a moment of silence for the Holocaust victims and the dead who were murdered by the Nazis. Why? Because we are tired of constant warfare. Tired of war. Tired of nationalism. Tired of stupidity. And tired of ignorance. To quote an American saying, "Can't we all get along with each other?" To do so, people or at least someone will have to apologize for their mistakes.

Lee Yong-soo's testimony is not enough. Historians suggests there are 80,000 to 200,000 total number of comfort women, that means there are 80,000 to 200,000 cases to refer to.

Lastly it is irrelevant whether these women volunteered or not. Human trafficking and accepting young teenage year old girls into sexual slavery is the worst kind of human rights offense, especially recruiting those from conquered territories by using deception and intimidation.

Do you want my source? Well my source is my brain. I am well aware of the term "comfort women" long ago and I am not going to avert that thought regardless of your attempts to justify the Former Japanese Empire's crimes against humanity.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687(199612)36%3A12%3C1226%3ATK%22WMF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-L
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en...&sig=EGfMFzlj-arHGpCB-JMkbRHkAEU#PRA1-PA14,M1

And what is your source? The opinion and thought of someone else's?


Back to the discussion about Communism.
From my view,maoizm is　the worst combining　chinese sino-centrism and Communism.(These days,wonderful nationalism joined)
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No. Considering what kind of garbage you have read from, actually Maoism is an extreme form of socialism that goes beyond Leninism. Maoism have spread internationally, admired by those who find his ideas appealing and tend to be militant. The latest developments of Maoism in practice is in countries called Nepal and India. It has nothing to do with Nationalism or Sino-centrism. And if you have a source of this correlation, please provide the link.
 
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