Meanwhile, over in China Village, things violent events were developing. A certain powerful mob boss by the name of Mr. Qing (leader of the Manchu gang of Tatars) comes to China Village with his band of thugs. They come to China Village and take ownership by force. The go to Mr. Mings house and kill his family, but Mr Ming manages to escape alive. Mr Qing then proceeds to also sieze the surrounding housing areas of Sinkiiang Community Housing, Tibetan Acres and Mongolia Estates.
One day, a man by the name Mr Spain (from the far shore of the lake) shows up in a boat. Mr Spain quickly starts acting like he owns the place, and Ms Taiwan is quite nervous. At that very moment another man in a boat shows up. Mr Dutch. Mr Dutch and Mr Spain fight, Mr Dutch wins the fight and Mr Spain leaves in his boat, never to return. Mr Dutch then claims owership to Ms Taiwan's little island. He breaks down the door to the house, rapes Ms. Taiwan and claims he owns her too. So she becomes the slave-wife of Mr Dutch.
Reclaimed? How was it reclaimed? Taiwan was no more a part of China under the Ming Dynasty (before the Dutch came) than Korea and Japan were a part of China under the Ming. http://www.artsmia.org/arts-of-asia/china/maps/ming-map.cfmUrbanboy said:godofthunder9010 said:]Meanwhile, over in China Village, things violent events were developing. A certain powerful mob boss by the name of Mr. Qing (leader of the Manchu gang of Tatars) comes to China Village with his band of thugs. They come to China Village and take ownership by force. The go to Mr. Mings house and kill his family, but Mr Ming manages to escape alive. Mr Qing then proceeds to also sieze the surrounding housing areas of Sinkiiang Community Housing, Tibetan Acres and Mongolia Estates.
lemme correct ur errors:
taiwan was reclaimed from imperalistic dutches before the downfall of the ming dynasty
The Manchus, an ethnic Tatar group, most definitely did take on the Ming. The Ming, earlier in its existance, was one of the most powerful nations the world has ever seen. But even the greatest can fall, and the Ming certainly did. They fell th the invading Machus invaders. To deny this would be to say the last imperial dynasty of China, the Qing (1644-1911), never actually happened.manchu cant take on ming honestly, its just too powerful
staurofilakes, you are right that it would probably be more accurate to include a third person to the matter. Mr Portugal, Mr Spain and Mr Dutch. Just to represent all the mysterious arrivals that happened leading up to Dutch rule of the island.
The Manchus, an ethnic Tatar group, most definitely did take on the Ming. The Ming, earlier in its existance, was one of the most powerful nations the world has ever seen. But even the greatest can fall, and the Ming certainly did. They fell th the invading Machus invaders. To deny this would be to say the last imperial dynasty of China, the Qing (1644-1911), never actually happened.
Urbanboy, in all honesty you might be fishing for bigotry/racism against the Chinese people where there is none. I am not trying to emphasize the Manchus as being anything other than what they were: A semi-barbaric band of thugs that came to conquer. Opportunists that jumped at the chance when the Ming started self-destructing. Sure they'd been trying for years, but that is nothing new to China. The threat was ALWAYS in the north.Urbanboy said:are you trying to emphasize that ethenic tatar groups are superior than the average han group??
I don't think it is viewed as that exactly. The viewpoint has never been that Taiwan is American territory. To say so is a severe misjudgement of the viewpoint of American People and its government. You might as well say that we consider all of Western Europe to be officially owned and opperated by the USA. Nonsense!Urbanboy said:good explanation thunder, and good analysis on the reason why we flame and dissagree
taiwan is the interest of topics because currently it is the so-called frontier of civilization for ignorant americans and westerns, what they think of the avearge chinese is horrendous and i for one wanted to change that
to many americans, maybe not thunder, their views are imperalistic and based on the fact that west of america is commies/evil while to the east of america is allies facing the frontier of good
thereby many people take taiwan too seriously and began to be view it as american territory that must be defended
It would be if Americans actually thought that. They don't.such thinking is just terrible
Example: Just because Brandon and me are friends and look out for each other doesn't mean I own him and it doesn't mean I own him either. It means we're friends and nothing more.
Perhaps, perhaps not. In my experience is FAR more prevelant amongst Chinese people. I'm talking about the idea that "America has no business having any presence whatsoever in SE Asia." not "We don't appreciate the Americans doing _______."Urbanboy said:we east asians view america as a very distant country, it shouldnt meddle in asian politics, and its various military prisons and bases in asian territory clearly given the image that this is truly imperalism
Japan doesn't seem to be a willing pet or slave, or whatever ananogy is acceptable to His Magesty Cabal, lord of acceptable analogies (just picking on you Cabal). Otherwise they'd actually honor US demands to apologize to warcrimes committed against us and everybody else, for one thing. They've tried to flood the US market with cheap cars and other merchandise in order to run their competition in the USA out of business. The USA most certainly has tried to change Japan the Lion into Japan the Lamb, with some degree of success perhaps. As a result, we have to help them maintain the defense of their own country. Is that what we're talking about though?japan could be said as the running dog who kisses america's ass, while deeply in herself she felt anger and the will to fight anotherday
South Korea's dilema is very similar, but not as pronounced. They have to keep ties to the United States largely because North Korea and China may try to attack them again at some point. I sincerely hope that China stays out of it, but they have their promises to NK contrary to that.south korean could be described as teh running dog that kept on bitting its collars to break free of it, and between japan and south korea they are biting each other, south korean dog however, misses its old pal north korea when the twins split apart from an angery political argument
You greatly overstating the role of the United States in it all. The KMT did their own thing and the system that exists now, the KMT's descendant, continues to do its own thing. Taiwanese Independence certainly isn't something that the USA has pushed for that I can recall.Taiwan is yet another running dog of us, however it remains some ties to her old home, china, and constantly misses home, however in the hands of american she learned some stuff and felt the old house was worse than the new owner
Well, it sounds like he is either being a propagandist for the PRC or he just very strong believes in all that nonsense. There may be some valid points certainly but consider: It seems that China is the only one calling every nations around it "America's Obedient Dogs" or whatever other insult for it. The USA doesn't need to act like it owns SE Asia. Neither does China.this was from a chinese university professor on politics who described the above to students, pretty funny it seems, and it was posted on line
We're not a part of China and we thank El Jesus for it every day.
Well, it sounds like he is either being a propagandist for the PRC or he just very strong believes in all that nonsense. There may be some valid points certainly but consider: It seems that China is the only one calling every nations around it "America's Obedient Dogs" or whatever other insult for it. The USA doesn't need to act like it owns SE Asia. Neither does China.
godofthunder9010 said:Except for the fact that China apparently is dreaming a huge share if it up. The United States has no true control over anybody. Japan is welcome to tell us to get lost and go away. So is South Korea. The mistake is equating "Influence" with "Control". Those are not the same thing. And please consider that calling the Taiwanese, Japanese, Koreans or whoever else, "Obedient dogs to American Imperialism" is just as racist as what 13th_Redneck said if not more, and it is a direct insult to peoples coutries. Fine if that is what China teaches its people to believe, but if they are teaching such things then they are teaching hate and racism, whether intentionally or not.
"Obedient dogs to American Imperialism"
Well....perhaps it may be time for you to know that the United States is DEEPLY involved in Foreign Affairs in the last few years since 9/11.
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