What happens when the US leaves Afghanistan? - Page 3




 
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What happens when the US leaves Afghanistan?
 
March 18th, 2012  
tazjet
 
What happens when the US leaves Afghanistan?
As predicted, Afghanistan has become another Vietnam...

Like Vietnam it was militarily winnable, but is being lost by the politicians. No doubt the need to please the diverse Governmental opinions of a multi-national task force plus the opinions of folks at home is half the problem, not to mention Karzai himself.
March 18th, 2012  
42RM
 
Over the centuries, trying to understand the Afghans and their country was turned into a fine art and a game of power politics by the Persians, the Mongols, the British, the Soviets and most recently the Pakistanis. But no outsider has ever conquered them or claimed their soul.

Since the establishment of modern Afghanistan in 1747 by Ahmad Shah Durrani (Abdali) in Kandahar, tribes have played an important role in installing and in deposing their rulers. The tribes have also played an equally important role in establishing order in the country, especially in those areas where the reach of government, in terms of security and governance, was low or non-existent. The "qawm", which can be loosely translated to mean "solidarity group" has had a dual effect in Afghanistan’s history. On the one hand it has prevented the central government from promoting modernity, while on the other hand, it has provided crucial "social capital" for the resilience of the Afghan society to external shocks, such as war, drought and failed governance. Absent of a functioning government since 1978, in most parts of Afghanistan, the tribal and district structures, the qawn, have played a strong role in keeping security and ensuring governance. In most parts of Afghanistan, tribal structure or locally established Shuras (councils) and Jirgas (meeting to solve problems) have been the only source of social justice in the last thirty years, and to some extent, even before than that.

The tribal structures or Pakhtun code of conduct (Pakhtunwali/Pashtunwali) is very strong among Pakhtun majority and plays a significant role in the population which comprise of more than 50 percent of Afghanistan. In those areas where the government has no presence or is very weak, Pakhtuns solve all their disputes through Jirgas or Shuras. The rules of dispute resolution are called Narkh. Narkh are unwritten rules and are based on precedent. Literally, Narkh means "price" because each decision involves certain costs. Narkhis are people in society or in tribes who understand or at least have the reputation for understanding these rules. Elders of the Ahmadzai tribe are well known for their understanding of Narkh. In the absence of a functional government in the last three decades in Afghanistan, due to occupation and civil war, the people of Afghanistan ruled themselves on the basis of these traditional codes through local Jirga or Shuras. They were able to solve their day to day problems and receive social justice.

Presently, in the rural areas of Afghanistan, most people solve their disputes and problems through Jirga or Shuras because the formal judicial system is weak, inaccessible, expensive, lacking in capacity and is viewed as being very corrupt. Because of this lack of confidence in the formal judiciary, formal rulings are generally considered invalid and cannot prevent the possibility of future revenge. It is imperative to understand that the only way that the majority of the people in Afghanistan will participate in security, governance and development is through cooperation with local authorities on the district level.

Considering the complexity of the relationships, it may appears to be difficult to build consensus easily. But once done, you will have the full support of the tribes and villagers. No one will feel left out from participation and decision-making. It ensures fair and equal participation and decision making powers regarding all issues. It is the Afghan form of democracy. So if we are to have peace in Afghanistan, we must forget about Western values ​​and democracy and instead respect their way of life and culture.
March 18th, 2012  
Chief Bones
 
 

After all of the horsesh!t that has taken place over the last few years in that arm pit **** part of the world, personally - I couldn't care less what happens to that cesspool. Since the Afghans haven't really tried to take over ruling and control of their own people and country, I say it is time we bring our troops home. We have lost more young men and women than than damned country is worth.

We broke it, tried to fix it and all we have received in return, is to see a constant attack on those who tried to help the Afghans be the arbiters of their own fate.

They can slip back into the stone age as far as I am concerned.
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What happens when the US leaves Afghanistan?
March 18th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
Most of them will seek asylum in the UK and live off the State
May 2nd, 2012  
trailbrake2088
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by asma18
Hello, I for one say get out now,if we are not going to fight these wars the roman way[ check on Gaul 50 BC] then get our soldiers out now.I am going to be realistic and the faint at heart may not like it. The more Islam fights itself the less we will have to face and my fellow christians and westerners to Islam we are all the enemy and WAR is coming. We have bent over backwards in our respective countries to accommodate the Muslims and what have they done to show appreciation? Tell us they are going to take over and in Englands case that is not far away. I am 68 on the way out and maybe will not see whats coming.My children and theirs will be here. No compromises anymore?
Yeah I must say i am proud of America and its typically anti muslim stance we have enough problems with right wing christians as it is. I feel for you guys in UK. Liberalism gone wrong for sure.
May 11th, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
For asking a question such as this, please refer to the 30 years of Afghan history prior to the U.S. invasion.


Then you will have your answer, hope this helps.
May 11th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
For asking a question such as this, please refer to the 30 years of Afghan history prior to the U.S. invasion.
You left a zero off the number of years.
May 11th, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trailbrake2088
Yeah I must say i am proud of America and its typically anti muslim stance we have enough problems with right wing christians as it is. I feel for you guys in UK. Liberalism gone wrong for sure.
Its not Liberalism gone wrong, it's Liberalism gone insane.

A pensioner for example receives a very poor state pension, below are the last figures I have on hand:-

BRITISH OLD AGED
PENSIONER - Weekly allowance £ 104
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - Weekly allowance £ 250

BRITISH OLD AGED
PENSIONER Weekly Spouse-Allowance £ 25
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - Weekly Spouse Allowance £225

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional
weekly Hardship-allowance £ 0
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK Additional weekly hardship
allowance £ 100

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER - TOTAL
YEARLY BENEFIT < £ 6,000
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £29,900

The average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of
this country for the last 40 to 60 years.
May 11th, 2012  
Abbadon2012
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Its not Liberalism gone wrong, it's Liberalism gone insane.

A pensioner for example receives a very poor state pension, below are the last figures I have on hand:-

BRITISH OLD AGED
PENSIONER - Weekly allowance £ 104
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - Weekly allowance £ 250

BRITISH OLD AGED
PENSIONER Weekly Spouse-Allowance £ 25
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - Weekly Spouse Allowance £225

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional
weekly Hardship-allowance £ 0
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK Additional weekly hardship
allowance £ 100

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER - TOTAL
YEARLY BENEFIT < £ 6,000
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES living in UK - TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £29,900

The average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of
this country for the last 40 to 60 years.
That's a BLEEPING travesty! No wonder there's so much angst over there.

So, if I came over from the US, would I be considered an illegal? It's rough, here, too...sooo...I'm just wondering.
May 14th, 2012  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbadon2012
That's a BLEEPING travesty! No wonder there's so much angst over there.

So, if I came over from the US, would I be considered an illegal? It's rough, here, too...sooo...I'm just wondering.
I doubt it mate, your first language is English and I doubt if you would build a fire on the living room floor like some I have heard of.
 


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