What enviroment is the toughest to fight/train in? - Page 5




View Poll Results :What enviroment is the toughest to train/fight in
Urban 10 20.41%
Desert 3 6.12%
Woodland 1 2.04%
Artic/Winter 19 38.78%
Mountains 2 4.08%
Plains/ flat land 0 0%
Sea/beaches 0 0%
Jungle 13 26.53%
Other 1 2.04%
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November 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Jungle is absolute hell.
It's true. You have to cut off all your hair if you're going to be out there for a long time. Your head under the hair is the first thing to get very very stuffy and is a nice home for stuff that want to suck blood out the top of your head.. And yes, just by going out for a 15 minute trek will have leeches sucking on your ankles.
I solved this problem by wearing thick socks.
Not to mention the other bugs chewing bits off you.
Misery is a jungle. This is why in most jungle areas populations never got really large until recently. Also why in Southeast Asia, countries and kingdoms were defined by populations, not by lines on the ground.
November 2nd, 2004  
egoz
 
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Originally Posted by RnderSafe
That isn't just in urban settings.
yah, i kind of figured that, but i wanted to add in some stuff about constantly having to clear buildings and things of that nature. which is why in urban combat you have such a higher likelyhood of getting killed.
November 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Actually that's what I meant. It might not get you muddy, it might not get you as wet. But chances of you getting killed here is higher than most other places.
A close 2nd or maybe tied could be jungle.
But street fighting has got to be the worst.

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Originally Posted by 03USMC
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Yeah I know. Just that the conveniences of not getting all wet and covered in cr*p are compensated by a much higher casualty rate. Not to mention if you're attacking, concealment could be a huge problem.
You can get just as wet. cold/hot and covered in cr*p fighting in an urban enviroment as you can any other. Each one has it's own particular dangers and discomforts.
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November 2nd, 2004  
Snauhi
 
if you vote jungle then you havent been in Finland :P
November 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I guess if it snows out too much, EVERYTHING stops. However, I think it makes you and the enemy on the ground more vulnerable to air strikes. It's much harder to hit stuff in the jungle.
So if you have air superiority, fight in the winter could actually be good. Everyone's stuck, but you're the one with the strike ability. In the jungle, it's hard to hit anything because of the canopy cover.
Not to mention no matter what the conditions, you're not going to be bringing your tanks around, as well as most of your heavy weapons. So it's a disaster to attack in. Unless your enemy picks a nice little spot that floods, is surrounded by swamps and is surrounded by hills (Dien Bien Phu!) attacking is ridiculously difficult.
November 3rd, 2004  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
I guess if it snows out too much, EVERYTHING stops. However, I think it makes you and the enemy on the ground more vulnerable to air strikes. It's much harder to hit stuff in the jungle.
So if you have air superiority, fight in the winter could actually be good. Everyone's stuck, but you're the one with the strike ability. In the jungle, it's hard to hit anything because of the canopy cover.
Not to mention no matter what the conditions, you're not going to be bringing your tanks around, as well as most of your heavy weapons. So it's a disaster to attack in. Unless your enemy picks a nice little spot that floods, is surrounded by swamps and is surrounded by hills (Dien Bien Phu!) attacking is ridiculously difficult.
In Finnish army then its summer you ride a bike and then its winter you ski.
November 3rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Yeah but in winter your trucks and other vehicles will stop.
Then again so are those things in a jungle unless there's a road... which will be an ambush trap because there's not many roads out there.
November 4th, 2004  
LIPS
 
 
The hardest to train and fight in is Complex Terrain.
November 4th, 2004  
SAINT
 
Thick jungle.. you can't use tanks and armored vehicles.
The fight is solely dependent on infantry.

terrain there is muddy and full of unfriendly insects, reptiles and weather.
These are the natural elements to fight first before fighting the human enemy ambushed behind the trees...

It's primitive environment...
November 4th, 2004  
AussieNick
 
I think you'll find any landscape that conspires against you is going to be considered "hard" to fight in. Personally I think urban is a very difficult environment to fight in because it is not one that conventional warfare has learn't to deal with very effictively. In saying that you can also have an urban situation within arctic/desert/jungle climate conditions.

I just believe that with the potential problems of civilian population, multiple levels and facets of fighting, and the propensity for I.E.D's, road side car bombs, suicide bombers etc etc etc plus the issues of landscape and weather make it the hardest to fight well in (in a conventional sense anyway).

It may be more comfortable to live in (e.g. down time between fighting) in comparison to arctic for example, but I'd rather be fighting in dense jungle than clambering through ruined buildings dodging suicide bombers whilst having the civilian population get in the way.