What crimes warrant loss of citizenship?

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I have heard people saying that certain people should stripped of citizenship for the commiting certain crimes. What crimes in your opinion warrant it?

IMO its the following:

- treason
- terrorism
- crimes against humanity
- lie while applying for cizitenship
- desertion or draft dodging during a time of war
 
I assume you mean stripping immigrants of citizenship because you really can not strip natives of citizenship as you can't send anywhere but prison.
If so I personally think any crime that results in prison time, lock them up and then ship them back to where they came from.
 
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The US has had a couple of folks commit treason. John Walker Lindh for example was tried and found guilty of being an enemy combatant and was sentenced to 20 years without parole. In previous conflicts he would have been executed by military firing squad. John Walker Lindh said this himself... "I provided my services as a soldier to the Taliban last year from about August to December. In the course of doing so, I carried a rifle and two grenades. I did so knowingly and willingly knowing that it was illegal."

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh

Martin James Monti was a USAAF Pilot that defected to the Nazis during WWII. He enlisted in the SS and later surrendered to US forces in Italy. He was arrested by the FBI in 1948 and tried for treason. He served 25 year in prison.

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in June 19, 1953 for providing the Soviets with Nuclear Secrets. They were tried and found guilty under the 1917 Espionage Act.

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_Rosenberg

Adam Yahiye Gadahn is the first person in the War on Terror to be tried under Treason.

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn


All of those mentioned did not have their Citizenship revoked.
 
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Either way if you're real crazy about kicking foreign born people out and keeping foreigners out in general, you better hope US schools kick serious ass. Unfortunately...

Also, automatic deportation upon a single arrest has a serious flaw.
If a situation warrants that a native born citizen and a naturalized citizen are involved in a conflict where they both would face some jail time, the native born citizen will always have the incredibly unbalanced upper hand. Let's say they were about to get into a fight over a heated argument. The naturalized citizen would have to stand there and get his ass whipped and hope the courts will believe him when he said he didn't throw a single punch.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Either way if you're real crazy about kicking foreign born people out and keeping foreigners out in general, you better hope US schools kick serious ass. Unfortunately...

Also, automatic deportation upon a single arrest has a serious flaw.
If a situation warrants that a native born citizen and a naturalized citizen are involved in a conflict where they both would face some jail time, the native born citizen will always have the incredibly unbalanced upper hand. Let's say they were about to get into a fight over a heated argument. The naturalized citizen would have to stand there and get his ass whipped and hope the courts will believe him when he said he didn't throw a single punch.
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Not talking about a single arrest I am talking about a conviction for a "serious" crime. As far as "Native" having an advantage well is true to a limited extent, if your justice system is truly blind then no natives will not have an advantage.
 
A serious crime? Yes I agree. Treason is a pretty serious crime.
However, I've got some issues with Terrorism because it's simply a word that doesn't have a TRUE definition yet. How can we deport someone for being a terrorist when the interpretation of this word is so loose?

What I do agree on.
Deporting:
- Repeat offenders (3 strikes)
- Treason (if not execution)
 
5.56X45mm said:
All of those mentioned did not have their Citizenship revoked.
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They should have lost their citizenship. It is more of correcting a error. For example many people list crimes that warrant capital punishment in countries or states that do not allow it.
 
We have enough bloody laws, time for the litigious elements of our democratic society to exercise their right to free speech by STFU.
 
MontyB said:
I assume you mean stripping immigrants of citizenship because you really can not strip natives of citizenship as you can't send anywhere but prison.
If so I personally think any crime that results in prison time, lock them up and then ship them back to where they came from.
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I personally think the natives when stripped of their cizitenship should be held in prison for their term and held their longer until we find a country to take them in and then deport them.
 
In the `50s, serving in a foreign military would automatically forfeit citizenship. The law is pretty vague but most crimes that warrant losing citizenship is punishable by either death or life in prison.
 
I'll sign it if you give the citizenship to me instead.
Heck that might be a good idea. Stripping unworthy citizens of their citizenship and awarding it to a foreigner who's more deserving.
 
Just execute the traitors and murderers, that way no one else has to worry about them again. And who wants to pay for the food of someone with a life sentence, especially one who has basically declared themselves an enemy combatant?
 
Personally I think they should be shot before jailing ever becomes an issue. If the guy's alive, it's still news and all of a sudden it's our fault he fought for the bad guys.
 
I dunno about removing a person's citizenship, or are we just talking about removing most of their rights as a citizen? The right to vote, social service benefits etc.

To remove a person's citizenship would involve either just throwing them into a prison somewhere until another country would take them (never happen) or just executing them to save the taxpayer's money, which would be a considerable amount. I can't see the benefit in the first option.
 
If we would do that in Germany we would destroy our own society because we are dependent on immigrants to hold on to our current population... the birth rate is like half of what it has to be to hold the level of population in Germany :) (interesting isn't it? ^^)
 
ObjSRgtLw said:
If we would do that in Germany we would destroy our own society because we are dependent on immigrants to hold on to our current population... the birth rate is like half of what it has to be to hold the level of population in Germany :) (interesting isn't it? ^^)
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Even more interesting considered the fact that during the last 3 years 5 German couples aged 27-42 has moved over here and are living in my neighbourhood, and another one is due to arrive here in August...
4 of these couples has 1 or more children, and at least two of them are born here.

Seems like you're exporting Germans and importing imigrants, that's funny.
Especially since this place is really outback and a rural area by definition.
 
MontyB said:
I assume you mean stripping immigrants of citizenship because you really can not strip natives of citizenship as you can't send anywhere but prison.
If so I personally think any crime that results in prison time, lock them up and then ship them back to where they came from.
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You could shoot them out of a cannon into the sun.... Or force them through a fine mesh screen. I like those solutions.
 
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