Chief Bones said:My apologies...I hit the wrong profile button and chose your profile by mistake and didn't catch the error prior to posting....the 'BULL' was in response to his post, not to your query and the 'BULL' IS a valid response from an ex military man..I can ALSO fault him for making that kind of statement even if he is a minor - if he is old enough to post on this forum then he is old enough for someone to find fault with a comment he has made.
What an absolutely stupid and ignorant commentary.........all war deaths are a waste....that is the nature of war. From the dawn of time to present day, governments for one reason or another have decided that it is necessary to resort to armed confrontation with another force. And by the way, not all wars are waged in the defense of country.....or....have you forgotten the deadliest wars were wars over religion???????? Warriors go where they are sent and fight whatever armies face them...the right or wrong of it does not and can not enter into whether they fight or not....that is.....unless you are advocating chaos. Society has evolved and science has been spurred to draconian heights BECAUSE of warriors going into battle for whatever reason........but.......as Forrest Gump said:major liability said:You guys seem to think that I hate those who fought in Vietnam. No, I admire their courage, and they had great value. But I still think they were used as pawns. Was the Vietnam War really defending America? Or was it a waste of many American lives?
.................I still stand by my belief that when your country calls, you go. If you run, I wash my hands of you. I don't want one more cent going towards protecting you, caring for you, educating you, providing roads for you to drive on, providing clean water for you to drink, taking care of your sewage, or having my airwaves polluted with whatever you have to say. As far as I'm concerned you're as dead as those in the ground at Arlington. But unlike them, you have no honor. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't even be allowed to pollute the same soil that covers those that did go, even if they did not believe, and paid the ultimate price.
Well Ted, just because its from the past doesn't make it bad as far as I'm concerned. Ignorant social injustices such as segregation should stay in the past, but other ideas should come back. The idea that Grandma should live with family as long as possible and not be sent off to a nursing home the first chance is one of them. The concept that a pedophile is a viscious, life destroying predator and not someone who is "sick" and needs treatment at a hospital is another.But Forrest, isn't what you are implying something from the past? How would you want to do this in this age? I see many administrative problems.
As far as the original topic goes, the US has had long standing policies regarding people of "conscience". For the true CO there have been options that did not involve killing for your country. For those that chose not to exercise these options, only 2 roads were left. Be a coward and run, or stand up for what you claim are your "convictions" and go to jail. As I've stated before, I at least have some respect for those that chose the latter.
France has, and always has had the draft.major liability said:The one thing I don't understand is why they went to Canada instead of France. If you went there, you'd never have to fight (unless some angry North Africans firebomb your car).
jedi078 said:Sad thing is there are a number of U.S. Servicemen who flee to Canada now (Read this in an Article of GQ) to aviod going to Iraq. Some of them complaign that "the recuiter lied to me" or "it wasn't in my contract to go overseas". Well I say frackin bad.
jedi078 said:This is of course a different issue from draft dodgers altogether since they already swore an oath to serve, and are deserters(sp?).
jedi078 said:To be honest I don't understand why we had a draft during Vietnam. At that point having a draft it only degraded the U.S. Military.
Well said brother, thank you!Chief Bones said:What an absolutely stupid and ignorant commentary.........all war deaths are a waste....that is the nature of war. From the dawn of time to present day, governments for one reason or another have decided that it is necessary to resort to armed confrontation with another force. And by the way, not all wars are waged in the defense of country.....or....have you forgotten the deadliest wars were wars over religion???????? Warriors go where they are sent and fight whatever armies face them...the right or wrong of it does not and can not enter into whether they fight or not....that is.....unless you are advocating chaos. Society has evolved and science has been spurred to draconian heights BECAUSE of warriors going into battle for whatever reason........but.......as Forrest Gump said:
AFTER ALL...THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS Were Draft Dodgers Cowards? IT WAS NOT WERE VIETNAM VETS PAWNS ETC.......every warrior lost in combat COULD be considered to have been a pawn IF you DO NOT believe there is a just reason for war.
tomtom22 said:I second that!
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