are wars really fought with wisdom?

Hi,

SilverPhoenix said:
If people had wisdom, then there would be no war.
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AS much as i hate to say it .......... But it's in the very nature of All Living beings to Compete against others ....... fight for Survival ....... It started the Day life Form First Evolved on earth in the Form of Ameoba though on a small scale Micro organism to Figh against Easch other Competing for Resources .......... and it will be there as long as Living beings are there on earth........ Most Animals Fight Every day to Defend their terrotary or Mate or Hunt .......... We humans just have better Wepons a Just a Bit More Wisdom than them ( well better Wepons yes ..... More Wisdom i am not too sure about that one ;) )

AS long as Living Beings are there they will Fight ........... as Long as there are Humans there will be wars. :m1:


PSssss : Life is Tough ************ .......... ;) :D


Peace
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I'm with Swordfish but not neccessarily for those reasons.

I believe that the human condition makes war inevitable. The only system by which to prevent war is to have one overbearing world government that monitors every facet of every person's daily life to prevent revolution. Trading almost everything we think of as huamnity for complete safety.

I think there is very little relation between the intelligence of people and the propensity for warmaking.
 
SwordFish_13 said:
Hi,

SilverPhoenix said:
If people had wisdom, then there would be no war.
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Most Animals Fight Every day to Defend their terrotary or Mate or Hunt ..........

AS long as Living Beings are there they will Fight ........... as Long as there are Humans there will be wars. :m1:
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So what you are saying is that we isn't any smarter then a animal on that plane?

Isn't it so that humans actually can used their head before they actually storm a country to kill other people?

People go to jail everyday because of killing another person.

So what you say is you want to make it legal to kill eachother because it's in our nature?

We live in 2005 where we don't want people to kill eachother. So if humans used their head more then wanting to piss territory as a dog; we would have gone much further with the problems we have on this world.

We put so much money on our weapons that it could have saved alot of people.

So if we stopped denying that we carry wisdom and responsiblity to other people and other civilisation; this world wouldn't contain as much war as it does.
 
SilverPhoenix said:
People go to jail everyday because of killing another person.
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But that sentence defeats your entire post. You see, murders happen EVERYDAY even though we do our best to discourage them. Even with all the deterants we have to murder, people still kill eachother. This is true with almost every action we consider to be a fundamental human action such as murder, sex, eating, civilization, language, war.
 
Whispering Death said:
SilverPhoenix said:
People go to jail everyday because of killing another person.
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But that sentence defeats your entire post. You see, murders happen EVERYDAY even though we do our best to discourage them. Even with all the deterants we have to murder, people still kill eachother. This is true with almost every action we consider to be a fundamental human action such as murder, sex, eating, civilization, language, war.
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So you mean that it makes it righteous to do this in another country?

Because we do not have responsiblity to other people or are able to use the head before our pride and patriotism?
 
Simply because we use our head does not make war disapear. We where able to end the cold war without a shot fired and there have been numerous treaties and such created in the last 50 years that have gone a long way to preventing unneccessary wars. However, even with this climate of anti-war sentiment in the world body and with organizations such as the UN to prevent them, how many wars have been fought across the globe in the past 50 years? A large number.

In fact, modern history is filled with examples of how fearing war has lead to even more war. Of course the prime example is WW2 where everyone kept trying to cut deals with Nazi Germany but this strategy ultimately only lead to an extremely disasterous conflict for the continent.

Simply acting responsibly does not prevent wars. In fact, many time actions that are at the time claimed to be 'responsible' are later seen as reprehensible in the historical perspective. Case in point is the Rawandan genocide in which the world body sat back, intellectualized, discussed, and debated while 800,000 humans where slaughtered. Declaring war on the Hutus for their barbaric murder of the Tutsis could have saved hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman, and children, but instead we decided to think about it and do nothing.
 
Whispering Death said:
Simply because we use our head does not make war disapear. We where able to end the cold war without a shot fired and there have been numerous treaties and such created in the last 50 years that have gone a long way to preventing unneccessary wars. However, even with this climate of anti-war sentiment in the world body and with organizations such as the UN to prevent them, how many wars have been fought across the globe in the past 50 years? A large number.

In fact, modern history is filled with examples of how fearing war has lead to even more war. Of course the prime example is WW2 where everyone kept trying to cut deals with Nazi Germany but this strategy ultimately only lead to an extremely disasterous conflict for the continent.

Simply acting responsibly does not prevent wars. In fact, many time actions that are at the time claimed to be 'responsible' are later seen as reprehensible in the historical perspective. Case in point is the Rawandan genocide in which the world body sat back, intellectualized, discussed, and debated while 800,000 humans where slaughtered. Declaring war on the Hutus for their barbaric murder of the Tutsis could have saved hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman, and children, but instead we decided to think about it and do nothing.
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I can see your point now. ;)

Because some people are suffering due to their leader abusing their power.

So I can admit that you have a really good point there.

But why not take out the leader directly instead of letting civilians get in the way of their stupidity? :?
 
Because the problem is always in the cultural leadership, not just one man. If you would have knocked off Hiter in 1941 still another powerful dictator would have taken his place and the Nazi movement would have continued. Modern example is that the legacy of Saddam would have continued in Iraq even if Saddam himself was knocked off, one of his sons would just take over for him.

So the ultimate issue is to knock out the entire evil system and replace it with a better one. Since the bad regime is not going to just agree to destroy itself, someone else has to go in and destroy the evil regime, and that is war.

You can't just go up to a ruler and go "you're just pure dark nasty evil, go ahead and step down and let someone else lead the country." That is the extent to which intellection fails humanity.
 
well, I guess that you can say that depending on the reason of war; it <can> be fought with wisdom.

Because we know how it went with WWII, and we could prevent that from happening again if other countries came in and helped the country in need.

So, yeah, I really agree that in some extent wars can be fought be with wisdom.
 
War is absolutely horrible.

The object of war is to get another nation to do what you want. How that's done though is a travesty. War is fought by taking another human being with thoughts, emotions, ambitions, family, loved ones, and everything that makes someone human. And destroying that. What's equally sad however, is that sometimes the consequences of not going to war are far worse then those of fighting.
 
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