War on Drugs

jason_420

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Do you think the war on drugs should be waged as it was/is waged like the war on terror. A "with us or against us" approach.
Full US military intervention where needed. Bombing of cocaine fields, UAV's etc.

Its my opinon that illegal drugs has a drain on the USA almost as much if not more then terrorism.

I find the war on drugs to be frustrating.

Courruption in Politics both north and south of the border. US must take some blame because we are the largest customers and South America because they are the big supplier.

Is there a solution to this problem? Any thoughts/recommendation?

If you fight a war then fight a total war or don't fight it at all...???
 
I'm in complete agreement with you, set clear & simple objectives and pursue them. The problem is that it involves other countries, which are not all keen to have the US operating willy nilly within their borders, so there has to be more of political / economic dimension to this - but hasn't that been true of all wars since the beginning of the 20th century.

On a side note, how many wars is the US prosecuting now? I've done a quick tally & it is "The War On, or The War In":

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Poverty
4. Drugs
5. Drunk Drivers
6. Gang warfare
7. AIDS
8. Malaria

That's a lot of wars - & I bet I haven't covered half of them, or is War the new little black dress? Trendy and trotted out out once in a while to impress?
 
Drugs,... set the death penalty for suppliers, and floggings and labour camps (a la chaingangs) as part of the punishment for users and the problem will virtually disappear overnight. Users who do not give up their suppliers would remain on indefinite punishment with regular drug tests until they did. Five years of urinalysis once released.

Draconian,... most certainly, But I feel it would work, which is more than I can say for what's going on now.

We've got to start treating the problem as if we wish to cure it, not just punish the users.
 
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See if you win the war on drugs I would like to think you eliminate the Gang War, most poverty and put a major dent in the Aids epidemic.

Or legalize all the dope and then put the tax money into releif and treatment efforts.
The thing that killed the old mobs were an end to prohabition and legalized gambling.

Have you ever seen the movie Red Heat with Arnold Swartzneger playing the Russian Detective escorting a russian mobster back to Moscow from Chicago. The American Detective (James Belushi) asked Arnold how the Russians handled the dope problem. Arnold says "we took all the dope addicts and dope dealers and shot them all in the head" to Jim's reply, Yeah that would work but,, the Politicans would never go for it here in the States. Arnold replys back "we shot the politicians first".
 
Drugs,... set the death penalty for suppliers, and floggings and labour camps (a la chaingangs) as part of the punishment for users and the problem will virtually disappear overnight. Users who do not give up their suppliers would remain on indefinite punishment with regular drug tests until they did. Five years of urinalysis once released.

Draconian,... most certainly, But I feel it would work, which is more than I can say for what's going on now.

We've got to start treating the problem as if we wish to cure it, not just punish the users.
I like it. Plans that get results!!
 
Legalize all but the most harmful drugs like crack, heroin, and meth. People will always find a way to procure them, and really the government has no place telling me what I can consume in the privacy of my own home. I know a lot of folks would rather shoot it out than bow down to the draconian policies suggested here. If your drug use is harming others, you should be punished severely, but if not there's no reason to prohibit their use. Prisons in this country are already overstuffed, and I certainly don't want to pay for more food for people who shouldn't even be incarcerated.
 
Legalize all but the most harmful drugs like crack, heroin, and meth. People will always find a way to procure them, and really the government has no place telling me what I can consume in the privacy of my own home.
There is a typical example of why the problem is as bad as it is. I dunno where you've been living since you were born, but I think there are any number of persons, private and public who would disagree with you. Hell,.... only 12 months ago a local government somewhere in the USA took a person to court for not maintaining their front lawn. For a start,... your own home is not beyond the reach of the law. Not even a little bit. I'd love to see you explain that to an arresting officer.
I know a lot of folks would rather shoot it out than bow down to the draconian policies suggested here.
we already have the answer to that, it's called the SWAT Team, and maybe it might be a cheap solution.
If your drug use is harming others, you should be punished severely, but if not there's no reason to prohibit their use.
Que? perhaps to give us a legal reason to get rid of the problem???
Prisons in this country are already overstuffed, and I certainly don't want to pay for more food for people who shouldn't even be incarcerated.
Yeah,... riiiiight..., are you on drugs???? Your reasoning certainly sounds like that of someone whose brain function is severely impared.

The only reason we are even discussing this here, is because of the harm it is doing to our society. Lost production, health issues, crime to support the habit etc., etc.
 
War on drugs should start now before tomorrow
And we should make a global alience for that purpose and we all heard a week a go what spain police found and also Russia said that Russians Goverment need help for drugs busting
 
Obviously people think it's worth the risk of punishment.
In many Southeast Asian countries, trafficking drugs is an offense punishable by death. It's effectiveness depends on whether or not it's being enforced.
Overstuffed prisons...
1) Prisons aren't hard enough if people think it's actually worth coming back.
2) People who served out their prison term should not have it count against them when they return to society or else if they can't get any job, what else is there but more crime?
As for punishment, caning and other things that involve severe physical discomfort usually work pretty well.
 
Well in the US there are 440 000 deaths per a year are associated to smoking. If you ban these then even more will go on the black market, just like your prohibition on alcohol back in the day, just like your ban on drugs. I'm not a drug user and have never taking an illicit drug before in my life. I have no solution.
 
Well in the US there are 440 000 deaths per a year are associated to smoking. If you ban these then even more will go on the black market, just like your prohibition on alcohol back in the day, just like your ban on drugs. I'm not a drug user and have never taking an illicit drug before in my life. I have no solution.
So what do you suggest,... that we just ignore it, and hope it will go away?
 
Well I'm glad I live in a state that has decriminalized cannabis, there are clearly tons of closed-minded people out there who feel the need to dictate what you can do with your brain.
 
Well I'm glad I live in a state that has decriminalized cannabis, there are clearly tons of closed-minded people out there who feel the need to dictate what you can do with your brain.
Yep my state made that stupid mistake too, and it was not until it became evident that this was seriously increasing the amount of hooch on the streets that our legislators decided to reverse the situation. Originally it was only a misdemeanour to have up to 9 plants, that has since been reduced to one, and the mental health authorities are now pushing for none, as it is found that the greatest proportion of our mental health issues among patients first presenting in their 20s and 30s is as a result of THC psychosis.
 
Yep, if you smoke before 16 you are seriously screwing your brain over.

Just curious - do you drink alcohol? Because if you do, it is total hypocrisy to ban other drugs. There are tens of thousands of deaths per year due to drunk driving and health problems from alcohol. It can make one more aggressive and overconfident. Cannabis, when consumed with a vaporizer (they release the active ingredient without incinerating anything and creating smoke), REDUCES the risk of cancer, and it generally puts you in a relaxed state of mind. There are even applications for it in psychiatry, yet it remains illegal.

I believe the reason is because law enforcement and organized crime are making far too much money off it to end the prohibition. In the end it doesn't really matter, anyone who wants it will find it and no matter how many distributors you toss in prison more will fill the void - it's much too profitable to ignore.

I don't have any experience with the harder drugs so I really can't comment on those.
 
So what do you suggest,... that we just ignore it, and hope it will go away?

Well it's all about personal choice, so I think education is the way to go. As long as it's just the drop kicks taking it who cares.
 
Obviously people think it's worth the risk of punishment.
In many Southeast Asian countries, trafficking drugs is an offense punishable by death. It's effectiveness depends on whether or not it's being enforced.
Overstuffed prisons...
1) Prisons aren't hard enough if people think it's actually worth coming back.
2) People who served out their prison term should not have it count against them when they return to society or else if they can't get any job, what else is there but more crime?
As for punishment, caning and other things that involve severe physical discomfort usually work pretty well.

I've seen #2 happen where folks can't earn a decent wage after serving a prison term which indeed turns them back to selling dope to gain that extra income. Good jobs are tougher to find and a drug felony early in life will keep you from joining one of our Armed Forces.
 
Yep, if you smoke before 16 you are seriously screwing your brain over.

Just curious - do you drink alcohol? Because if you do, it is total hypocrisy to ban other drugs. There are tens of thousands of deaths per year due to drunk driving and health problems from alcohol. It can make one more aggressive and overconfident.
How do you work out that responsible consumption of alcohol is hypocritical, there is no comparison, as one is illegal the other is not., and that is because of the relative harm caused by them in our community. Just for your information, I would not consume more than 26 fl.ozs of spirits in any 12 month period, and no more than 6 small cans of full strength beer, Yep,.. I'm a real "alko"
Cannabis, when consumed with a vaporizer (they release the active ingredient without incinerating anything and creating smoke), REDUCES the risk of cancer, and it generally puts you in a relaxed state of mind. There are even applications for it in psychiatry, yet it remains illegal.
LSD was developed as a psychotropic drug for medical use, and it is illegal to take that also without prescription, as is the case with Opiates and a thousand other drugs. The fact that they have medical applications does not mean that they should be self administered.

I believe the reason is because law enforcement and organized crime are making far too much money off it to end the prohibition. In the end it doesn't really matter, anyone who wants it will find it and no matter how many distributors you toss in prison more will fill the void - it's much too profitable to ignore.
Ri i i ight,.. I've got my tinfoil hat on now, would you please run that by me again?... Since when, have organised crime and the government been scratching each other's backs?

I don't have any experience with the harder drugs so I really can't comment on those.
Anyone who feels so indestructible as to use one illegal drug has a good chance that they will try others, as they are generally "risk takers" by nature and have already shown that they are susceptible to suggestion, and illicit drug abuse.
 
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