In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.

[Duty Honor Country]

This is a happy thought!!!!!

Poll: In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that communist China is viewed more favorably than the U.S. in many long-time Western European allies, an international poll has found.

The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months -- which many viewed favorably -- and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating December 26 tsunami...

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[Locke]

no suprise really
china is arguably the worlds strongest and most influential country, in terms of military and economics

 

[bulldogg]

China is only communist in name anymore. The country's government still bears the title of CCP but in reality their ideological approach to governance is one of extreme nationalism and the methodology is that of a totalitarian state with the appearance of socialism. Some scholars, like Chalmers Johnson, have termed their methods to be that of "soft authoritarianism" but after reading The Tianamen Papers edited by Andrew J. Nathan and Perry Link I would disagree with the former assessment. It does seem though that the usage of the term "communist china" is really jingoistic journalism IMHO.

 

[CSmaster]

the world is truly becoming multi-polar,

EU, Russia, India, China, U.S ,maybe brazil will be dominating the world together

 

[Locke]

i thought the EU was essentially dead?

 

[CSmaster]

na.....some difficulties on the EU road are obviously going to happen, but the general direction won't change

europe got to stay together to compete with rising power like india, china, brazil

and their leaders know that


i hope China can become more democratic in the future (which is happening right now, detail read this week's TIME cover story),

by than, more ppl will drop their "political discrimination (like RED China the big commie) and accept the fact that china is always a moderate power and will rise in a moderate way

 

[MontyB]

This is a happy thought!!!!!

Poll: In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that communist China is viewed more favorably than the U.S. in many long-time Western European allies, an international poll has found.

The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months -- which many viewed favorably -- and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating December 26 tsunami...

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To be perfectly honest I really doubt the accuracy of and value of the data given however I think when people in those polls talk of the US they are refering to your top 4 politicians and would probably have a more favourable view of your average american.

 

[CSmaster]

i agree with that


i dont think ppl hate american ppl in general

maybe just Bush's aggressive attitude,

but since Bush is far away hiding in Whitehouse

other nations' ppl can only pour their anger on average americans, pretty unfortunate

 

[bulldogg]

by than, more ppl will drop their "political discrimination (like RED China the big commie) and accept the fact that china is always a moderate power and will rise in a moderate way

The historical record does not support this claim. We can look to recent history and if you could explain how the following incidents are the doings of a "moderate" power. I do not see China as a warmongering threat to world peace but I (IMHO) would not classify them as moderate. I guess I wonder what is your definition of a moderate power?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/prc-vietnam.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-clash.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/08/content_422875.htm

http://web.amnesty.org/appeals/index/chn-010104-wwa-eng

 

[DTop]

There's an interesting article titled "The New Anti-Americanism – A British Perspective"

The new strain of Anti-Americanism in Europe has damaged the Atlantic alliance and can only encourage America to pursue a unilateralist answer to common world problems. It is therefore incumbent upon moderates in Europe to vocally reject Anti-Americanism’s empty rhetoric – a rhetoric that is essentially prejudicial in nature and devoid of any rationality.

http://hnn.us/articles/printfriendly/9091.html

 

[CABAL]

Interesting Commentary above, though some of the conclusions of why Anti-Americanism exists in Europe appears to be conjecture. It thoroughly targets the Left-Wing activists most often.

Speaking of China, nevertheless PR China IS still an Authoritorian state although they are beginning to tolerate demonstrations a bit. Again, as I stressed on before, the third generation of China's current leadership is more open to the world than it was several decades ago. They may be rising towards global power, though there are still many problems China has to resolve such as Corruption, Human Rights, Wealth Gap, and Energy.

 

[Locke]

are they really that concerned about fixing those issues though? they know that other countries need trade with them and are not that willing to risk billions of dollars over something that is not going to be easily fixed

 

[SwordFish_13]

Hi,

There is a Difference in Not aggreing to the Current American Policies and being Anti-American.


Peace
-=SF-13=-

 

[Rabs]

I believe this discussion is pointless because of Chinas reliance, it has no choice but to rise in power in a moderate fashion .China's problem is if it gets too aggressive the United States and other nations that view it as a threat can start cutting trade. Granted the economy is going to take a hit, but its not going to be a fatal blow and will probally help the United States economy in the long run. China needs this trade because it can not feed its people, theres simplily not enough food. China needs over seas beef and wheat. while America is largely self sufficient in its food production. So unlike America, China cant become a super influential superpower, because of its lack of natural resources.

 

[CSmaster]

i am looking at China in a picture of 5000 years as a big power on earth
rather than just 50 years,


in general, China, even in its climax (probably over 20 times), have been a very moderate superpower, which fits to China's own Confucious thinking of being moderate all the time, stand in the middle (ZHong yong)

Communist China is still pretty much moderate if considering the cause of China's military action, (like vietnam, that was because vietnam was invading China's ally , Cambodia, imaging calling U.S invading Iraq in 1991 although U.S was trying to kick Iraqis out of Kwait)

compared to the numbers of U.S military action against other nations, CHIna is very very very moderate despite being a big player in the world

 

[MontyB]

There's an interesting article titled "The New Anti-Americanism – A British Perspective"

The new strain of Anti-Americanism in Europe has damaged the Atlantic alliance and can only encourage America to pursue a unilateralist answer to common world problems. It is therefore incumbent upon moderates in Europe to vocally reject Anti-Americanism’s empty rhetoric – a rhetoric that is essentially prejudicial in nature and devoid of any rationality.

http://hnn.us/articles/printfriendly/9091.html

Well to be perfectly honest that is the biggest pile of one eyed garbage I have ever read and to a large degree is symptomatic of why people don't like the US administration, it smacks of elitism and a self imposed superiority that simply doesn't exist in reality.

There is an American comedian out there I think his name is Richard Jeni who sums it up very well, his opinion as to why people outside the US have developed a dislike for the place is simple:

He says:

"Since birth americans are told how they live in the greatest country on earth they are the best at everything and nothing else compares and because of this they tell the world it. Now imagine you are at work and every day a colleague comes in and spends his entire time energetically telling you how *Expletiving* great he is I can guarantee you by the end of the week you would want to kill him as well".

My personal opinion is that having lived for short periods of time in Britain, Germany, Spain and the US that none of these countries are any better nor any worse than the other, they all have their good points and bad points the only difference is that the British, Germans and Spanish don't spend their time telling me how great they are and hence we co-exist in relative harmony (well the Germans tried to but it didn't get them very far).

 

[Missileer]

I think a lot of the rhetoric that once came from the US has toned down a lot but the backlash from the less fortunate is still there. The US is now involving other Nations in everything from weaponry to space travel and have even taken lesser roles in joint ventures. I buy more Chinese and Indian stocks now than US and Japan together. I believe that their economic growth is about to become phenomenal and my portfolio and I are grateful. We Americans have a lot to be proud of but we need to not put ourselves in the position of comparing our good fortune to the rest of the world.

 

[queens_ranger]

China needs this trade because it can not feed its people, theres simplily not enough food. China needs over seas beef and wheat. while America is largely self sufficient in its food production. So unlike America, China cant become a super influential superpower, because of its lack of natural resources.

if China is not self-sufficient, then what was it doing before 1984's open-door policy? eating air?

your statement is quite hilarious considering agricultural products are not even a significant import commodity to China.

they are, however, a significant import commodity to the US

if you change 'China' to 'the US' and vice versa that statement might actually ring some truth

 

[CSmaster]

lol.....since the great agricultural tech revolution in China in 1980s, Chinese food production nearly doubled

if u think china is the only one needs trading to survive, u have to look at japan, U.S, how dependent they are on importing oil and other things, or just look at how much of their GDP is contributed by trading,


and CHina is also a large producer of natural resource, it produces over half of its own oil, iron and other things


so i think wut mr. Rabs has just said is pretty stupid

 

[DTop]

There's an interesting article titled "The New Anti-Americanism – A British Perspective"

The new strain of Anti-Americanism in Europe has damaged the Atlantic alliance and can only encourage America to pursue a unilateralist answer to common world problems. It is therefore incumbent upon moderates in Europe to vocally reject Anti-Americanism’s empty rhetoric – a rhetoric that is essentially prejudicial in nature and devoid of any rationality.

http://hnn.us/articles/printfriendly/9091.html

Well to be perfectly honest that is the biggest pile of one eyed garbage I have ever read and to a large degree is symptomatic of why people don't like the US administration, it smacks of elitism and a self imposed superiority that simply doesn't exist in reality.

There is an American comedian out there I think his name is Richard Jeni who sums it up very well, his opinion as to why people outside the US have developed a dislike for the place is simple:

He says:

"Since birth americans are told how they live in the greatest country on earth they are the best at everything and nothing else compares and because of this they tell the world it. Now imagine you are at work and every day a colleague comes in and spends his entire time energetically telling you how *Expletiving* great he is I can guarantee you by the end of the week you would want to kill him as well".

My personal opinion is that having lived for short periods of time in Britain, Germany, Spain and the US that none of these countries are any better nor any worse than the other, they all have their good points and bad points the only difference is that the British, Germans and Spanish don't spend their time telling me how great they are and hence we co-exist in relative harmony (well the Germans tried to but it didn't get them very far).

I too have spent time in other parts of the world and I still prefer the U.S. to any of them. Still, I am not about to go around pointing out what I don't like about any of them. Especially not here on these forums.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion but don't equate the U.S. to Nazi Germany. That is stepping over the line Kiwi. I would rather not spend time listening to those who let no opportunity go by to criticize the country I live in. It is getting to be a bit much. It's called country bashing and it is not allowed on these forums. To make it perfectly clear, this is a warning to you to cease such comments.
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