In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.

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ya, good post, and i still have faith on U.S to make the world a better place despite Bush and the Gitmo bullshit


but u got to admit the world is becoming multi-polar,

U.S won't be the only superpower in this century, EU, russia, india, china, brazil are rising and they are saying NO to U.S more often then ever, and U.S has to listen to them often too
 
This is BS. Every Superpower in the history of mankind spen sometime telling everyone why its better than them. So what? The reasons for hatred towards America are much deeper than people thinking they are arrogant.
 
DTop said:
I too have spent time in other parts of the world and I still prefer the U.S. to any of them. Still, I am not about to go around pointing out what I don't like about any of them. Especially not here on these forums.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion but don't equate the U.S. to Nazi Germany. That is stepping over the line Kiwi. I would rather not spend time listening to those who let no opportunity go by to criticize the country I live in. It is getting to be a bit much. It's called country bashing and it is not allowed on these forums. To make it perfectly clear, this is a warning to you to cease such comments.
Problems? PM me.

Yes and oddly enough I prefer New Zealand to every other country I have lived in as well, its only natural for people to share this belief about their own country regardless of where they live.

I have responded to the rest of your post in the PM as requested however I really do think you should read the post a little closer than you obviously have.
 
You're very wrong about United States food production. Taken from: http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=/docrep/008/J5649e/J5649e00.htm

The following concerns United States wheat and corn production: Spring wheat planting was completed on an area estimated to be 4 percent up from last year and the crop is reported to be in mostly fair to good condition. The winter wheat harvest is already underway in the southern states while further to the north it is maturing. Winter wheat output is forecast at some 43 million tonnes, 6 percent up from last year as the area harvested should increase after much lower abandonment and in addition, higher yields are expected. Spring wheat output prospects are still uncertain but assuming trend yields and the recent average ratio of planted-to-harvested area, this year’s crop could be down somewhat from 2004 despite the larger area planted. The country’s aggregate wheat output in 2005 is forecast at 58.2 million tonnes, marginally down from 2004. The bulk of the main coarse grain crop in the United States was sown by late May, somewhat ahead of the average date after a very favourable planting season. However, despite the good start to the season and early indications that the area for harvest will be virtually unchanged this year, production of coarse grains is forecast to decrease somewhat because of lower yields expected after very high levels in 2004. Nevertheless, yields could still be above the average of the past five years. As of May, the aggregate output of coarse grains was forecast at 296.6 million tonnes, about 3 percent down from the previous year. Of the total, maize is expected to account for 279 million tonnes.

That's one tonne of wheat and one tonne of corn per person. Not counting legumes, fruits, nuts as well as livestock. Granted, most livestock does not graze and is fed with wheat or corn.

China on the otherhand will be importing grain: Despite the forecast of larger crops for wheat, rice and maize in 2005, China is expected still to face a grain deficit and would continue to be a net grain importer in 2005/06. In addition, China is expected to import more than 22 million tonnes of soybeans in 2005/06 to meet growing domestic demand. Soybeans are defined as a grain in China.

As will South Korea: Cereal import in 2004/05 is estimated at about 13.1 million tonnes (of which nearly 3.9 million tonnes of wheat, 8.8 million tonnes of maize and 226 000 tonnes of rice).

China's food production may have doubled, but consider that before 1980 countless millions starved to death in the failed Great Leap Forward.
 
my point was,

if suddenly one day U.S and china both stop trade

china will have to abandon vegetable and other parts of argiculture to plant things like rice and wheat,

and americans will have to stop use cars and ride bikes,

i was talking to Rabs, who thinks China cannot be a super-power because it cannot self-sustain its own natural resrouce (which was wrong as CHina produces over half of its own oil and ohter natural resource), but i was trying to point out that nations like Japan, U.S are heavily dependent on oil and other natural resource importing
 
Once again, you're wrong. The United States only receives 13 thousand barrels of oil a day from China. As found at this link: http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm

China is also a large importer of crude oil. Infact the only country that consumes more is the United States: http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501041025-725174,00.html

However, the United States would need to find another supplier for many small and easily manufactured items that are none the less important, but we wouldn't be facing starvation.

You are correct though that China is more then capable of becoming a super power. Japan for example, an island with very few resources, would have been able to have ruled the pacific if not for United States intervention.
 
u misunderstood me again

i am talking about both nation stop trading with the rest of the world (as Mr. Rabs tries to point out, that china will die and U.S will still live well, which was wrong)


U.S mainly imports oil from middle-east, so does china
 
PershingOfLSU said:
You're very wrong about United States food production. Taken from: http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=/docrep/008/J5649e/J5649e00.htm

The following concerns United States wheat and corn production: Spring wheat planting was completed on an area estimated to be 4 percent up from last year and the crop is reported to be in mostly fair to good condition. The winter wheat harvest is already underway in the southern states while further to the north it is maturing. Winter wheat output is forecast at some 43 million tonnes, 6 percent up from last year as the area harvested should increase after much lower abandonment and in addition, higher yields are expected. Spring wheat output prospects are still uncertain but assuming trend yields and the recent average ratio of planted-to-harvested area, this year’s crop could be down somewhat from 2004 despite the larger area planted. The country’s aggregate wheat output in 2005 is forecast at 58.2 million tonnes, marginally down from 2004. The bulk of the main coarse grain crop in the United States was sown by late May, somewhat ahead of the average date after a very favourable planting season. However, despite the good start to the season and early indications that the area for harvest will be virtually unchanged this year, production of coarse grains is forecast to decrease somewhat because of lower yields expected after very high levels in 2004. Nevertheless, yields could still be above the average of the past five years. As of May, the aggregate output of coarse grains was forecast at 296.6 million tonnes, about 3 percent down from the previous year. Of the total, maize is expected to account for 279 million tonnes.

That's one tonne of wheat and one tonne of corn per person. Not counting legumes, fruits, nuts as well as livestock. Granted, most livestock does not graze and is fed with wheat or corn.

China on the otherhand will be importing grain: Despite the forecast of larger crops for wheat, rice and maize in 2005, China is expected still to face a grain deficit and would continue to be a net grain importer in 2005/06. In addition, China is expected to import more than 22 million tonnes of soybeans in 2005/06 to meet growing domestic demand. Soybeans are defined as a grain in China.

As will South Korea: Cereal import in 2004/05 is estimated at about 13.1 million tonnes (of which nearly 3.9 million tonnes of wheat, 8.8 million tonnes of maize and 226 000 tonnes of rice).

China's food production may have doubled, but consider that before 1980 countless millions starved to death in the failed Great Leap Forward.

check the worldfact book for some facts on both countries' import commodities
 
SHERMAN said:
This is BS. Every Superpower in the history of mankind spen sometime telling everyone why its better than them. So what?

I agree and how many popular/liked superpowers has there been throughout history?
 
CSmaster said:
no nation can survive without trading (except North korea probably)

Now THAT is an ignorant statement. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you, what is your definition of a nation "surviving"?
 
PershingOfLSU said:
It is a direct answer to a post by CSmaster that you must have missed.

?? he said "no nation can survive without trading"

he didnt say trading what, for all you know it could be trading goods that is needed by one country for better international relations or political goodwill that is desired by another country

unless of course you think nations give foreign aid to north korea because they just like them
 
CSmaster specifically stated that he believed North Korea could survive without trade.

I refuted that by stating that North Korea is dependent on foreign food aid to survive.

No trading at all would mean no food aid and mass starvation throughout North Korea.
 
PershingOfLSU said:
CSmaster specifically stated that he believed North Korea could survive without trade.

I refuted that by stating that North Korea is dependent on foreign food aid to survive.

No trading at all would mean no food aid and mass starvation throughout North Korea.

not really, unless you believe north korea depends on 117 million US dollars worth of food aid to survive

you need to understand that sum does not amount to a major portion of the agricultural output needed. it's a good deed but it doesnt change much

just to let you know, kenya got 453 million during the same period, and we all know that hasnt stopped mass starvation in the least
 
This data is flawed! You can't try to make a 1:1 comparison and then give numbers that add up to more than 100! Dumb!!! Dumb, dumb, dumb!

What's more, you can't provide (flawed) statistics from predominently Muslim, Communist or ultra-liberal countries and then expect to get a comprehensive view of overall world statistics!

Yuck!
 
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