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March 18th, 2010  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Chukpike
You are delusional if you think the Brittish, French, and US troops ever committed any attrocities to compare with the Nazis.
Thanks for calling me delusional. :P What I wrote was that the Waffen SS (not the Nazis) were not alone when committing atrocities in war. That's quite a big difference.

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Originally Posted by Chukpike
Don't you think the, "it is OK because everyone was doing it", excuse is kind of lame, besides being untrue.
I never excused it, I wrote that all armies did it. And all armies in major conflicts do commit atrocities. Show me a major combatant in WW2 that did not.
March 19th, 2010  
Chukpike
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Thanks for calling me delusional. :P What I wrote was that the Waffen SS (not the Nazis) were not alone when committing atrocities in war. That's quite a big difference.


I never excused it, I wrote that all armies did it. And all armies in major conflicts do commit atrocities. Show me a major combatant in WW2 that did not.
You have it back wards. You claim that "all armies in major conflicts do commit atrocities." You need to prove it.

Here is the proof they did not commit atrocities:




See, no atrocities.
March 19th, 2010  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chukpike
You have it back wards. You claim that "all armies in major conflicts do commit atrocities." You need to prove it.
Do I? Personally, I don't need to prove anything. There is a wealth of documented evidence out there and you'll find that the vast majority of military experts and historians accept that it occurs.
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March 19th, 2010  
Chukpike
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Do I? Personally, I don't need to prove anything. There is a wealth of documented evidence out there and you'll find that the vast majority of military experts and historians accept that it occurs.
You made the claim and since you were unable to find any of the "wealth of documented evidence" your statement is with out merit.
March 19th, 2010  
A Can of Man
 
 
Here, let me help you out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_...g_World_War_II
10 second search on google.
Quite easy for something that never happened supposedly.
March 19th, 2010  
Chukpike
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Can of Man
Here, let me help you out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_...g_World_War_II
10 second search on google.
Quite easy for something that never happened supposedly.
Apparently you did not read much of your source.
Where are the atrocities? No trials, hear say, like some guy's opinion that Churchill be tried for the bombing of Dresden?

Don't think that quite makes the cut.

It is good to see someone at least try and supply some type of source, no matter how poor.

Does not quite meet Dopplegangers statement:

"vast majority of military experts and historians"
now does it?
Doppleganger see how easy it is to find even a poor source. Try it sometime.
March 19th, 2010  
A Can of Man
 
 
So if there is no trial it never happened?
Funny reality you live in.
March 19th, 2010  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chukpike
You made the claim and since you were unable to find any of the "wealth of documented evidence" your statement is with out merit.
Fine, it's without merit then.
March 20th, 2010  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chukpike
Apparently you did not read much of your source.
Where are the atrocities? No trials, hear say, like some guy's opinion that Churchill be tried for the bombing of Dresden?

Don't think that quite makes the cut.

It is good to see someone at least try and supply some type of source, no matter how poor.

Does not quite meet Dopplegangers statement:

"vast majority of military experts and historians"
now does it?
Doppleganger see how easy it is to find even a poor source. Try it sometime.
Oh come on, its time to grow up and stop with the "but he started it" nonsense, this argument blew up pure and simply from you comment stating...

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Originally Posted by Chukpike
If you consider soldiers who spent time murdering unarmed prisoners as a superior fighting force, then whatever floats your boat.
Which was then followed by post after post showing a complete lack of understanding of SS structure and not one single source to back up the initial statement, eventually we got a list of about a dozen atrocities that were committed by Waffen SS units yet you seemingly wish to ignore the fact that those dozen or so atrocities were committed by a branch that consisted of roughly 39 divisions so you are painting with a very big brush.

As far as Allied atrocities go Doppleganger is correct they are well documented and should you ever have the desire to learn something I would thoroughly recommend that you do some research for yourself (I will make it easy for you, type "Allied Atrocities WW2 into Google, I bet you will get at least one response) rather than persistently requiring everyone to validate every step of their argument to your satisfaction while offer nothing of your own.
March 20th, 2010  
Chukpike
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Oh come on, its time to grow up and stop with the "but he started it" nonsense, this argument blew up pure and simply from you comment stating...



Which was then followed by post after post showing a complete lack of understanding of SS structure and not one single source to back up the initial statement, eventually we got a list of about a dozen atrocities that were committed by Waffen SS units yet you seemingly wish to ignore the fact that those dozen or so atrocities were committed by a branch that consisted of roughly 39 divisions so you are painting with a very big brush.
And from you we got no source at all, just a cartoon.
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Originally Posted by MontyB
As far as Allied atrocities go Doppleganger is correct they are well documented and should you ever have the desire to learn something I would thoroughly recommend that you do some research for yourself (I will make it easy for you, type "Allied Atrocities WW2 into Google, I bet you will get at least one response) rather than persistently requiring everyone to validate every step of their argument to your satisfaction while offer nothing of your own.
You and Doppleganger keep telling about all these allied atrocities and how easy they are to find. So why can't you find them?

You'll make it easy for me? I can find and supply sources, where are yours?

I never said the allies committed atrocities so why should I have to try and look up something. Doppleganger claimed they occurred, where are they?

Can O Spam gives us his source for allied atrocities.

First problem is the tittle: Allied war crimes during World War II
Oops, he was supposed to find atrocities.

Then in the body of his source we have this for a French atrocity?

"The Maquis are known to have executed 17 German prisoners of war at Saint-Julien-de-Crempse (in the Dordogne region), 14 of whom have been positively identified, on 10 September 1944. The murders were revenge killings for German murders of 17 local inhabitants of the village of St. Julien on 3 August 1944, which were themselves reprisal killings in response to Resistance activity in the St. Julien region, which was home to an active Maquis cell.[4]"

His source does not label it an atrocity, it refers to it as a revenge killing.
And this was done by civilians and not sanctioned by any French government.

You can love the Waffen SS as much as you want, but to paint them as something noble is ignorant. Their motto written by no less a pillar than Himmler himself:
"Meine Ehre heißt Treue"

"Literary it means "My honour is called loyalty" but the meaning is closer "My honour is loyalty"

Motto/saying comes from Hitler's letter to SS kommendant Kurt Daluegelle in 1931. There was sentence-ending "...SS-man, your loyalty is your honour" and Heinrich Himmler took that sentence from letter and came up with that motto.

btw; that motto is forbidden and punishable by law in Germany and Austria even today." quote Torkku

You like them because you think their uniforms are spiffy?

BTW They lost. Yeah that is right they got their a** kicked.

At least Doppleganger all ready admited his claims were with out merit.
I will just side with the German and Austrian people and accept what they think of them.
 


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