A Villainless Disaster?

A Can of Man

Je suis aware
A very interesting read...


Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/InvestmentOutlook09/idUSTRE4B95KP20081210
Reuters

By Herbert Lash
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A failure to prosecute the "villains" responsible for the financial crisis that brought the United States to its knees will leave the country without the moral compass needed to avert future crises, a Wall Street luminary said.
Pioneer hedge fund manager Michael Steinhardt is angry that the bailout of America is eroding the nation's capitalist ethos while those whose deeds crippled the U.S. economy suffer scant opprobrium, their names still untarnished.
"Something really went wrong here. We're about to enter a period where our budget deficit will dwarf anything we've seen before," Steinhardt told the Reuters Investment Outlook Summit in New York.
"What we really needed a long time ago was a recognition that there were villains apace. The evils of the financial system should have been recognized long before this," said Steinhardt, who no longer manages billions of dollars but whose counsel is sought on Wall Street and among select politicians.
While scornful of the financial executives who should have known better, he also belittled Washington for its lack of leadership and for not spelling out what the future beholds.
The current and former Federal Reserve chairmen have proved ill-prepared for the job, said Steinhardt, a former chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, where he helped promote the career of Bill Clinton before he became president.
Of former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, often criticized for keeping interest rates so low that they sparked the housing bubble, Steinhardt said he may have been stupid for a long time, "but he wasn't pernicious."
Current Fed chief Ben Bernanke is little better.
"When you see what Bernanke said five, four months ago, it's laughable," he said. "So Bernanke is not a villain but was he prepared for what has happened here? Not in the slightest."
Steinhardt, however, said Americans themselves must share the blame for running away from the debacle and for not questioning the enormous public debt the U.S. government is about to assume.
"If you cannot accept short-term pain, then you do all sorts of things to coat reality, to pretend, to fabricate, to lie. That is what has happened in American business in the last 10 years," he said.
Steinhardt, who now dedicates his time to philanthropy, still hues to the almost impossible standards that made him a legend. His Steinhardt Partners hedge fund returned an annual 24.5 percent after fees over 28 years before he shut the fund in 1995.
Steinhardt is aware of scandal and reputation. His firm was stung by a federal investigation into allegations he and others, including Salomon Brothers, tried to corner the two-year U.S. Treasury market in the early 1990s.
Steinhardt denied any wrongdoing, and paid a fine and fees of more than $70 million to settle the case.
Steinhardt asked that if the government and Americans are unwilling to prosecute by law, what are the consequences of not being responsible and holding the culprits up for contempt?
"The question is, What's going to come of this, if there are going to be no villains?" he said.
"Is Hank Greenberg a villain?" Steinhardt said, referring to the former chief executive of insurer American International Group (AIG.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), recipient of a $152 billion federal bailout after it suffered massive losses mainly on complex securities tied to mortgages that had declined in value.
He rattled off other names: James "Jimmy" Cayne, former CEO and chairman of defunct investment bank Bear Stearns Cos, whose unsustainable leverage in two failed hedge funds sparked the crisis in summer 2007.
And Richard Fuld, ex CEO of failed investment bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEHMQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), whom Steinhardt said he saw last week in a restaurant "happy as a hero, blowing kisses."
Finally, he asked, referring to the senior counselor of Citigroup (C.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and a former Treasury secretary under Clinton. "Is Bob Rubin a villain? Still at Citibank? Is he a villain? You can't name a villain? Is this a villain-less debacle?"
Although a friend of Clinton, Steinhardt knocked Barack Obama's pick of ex-Clinton officials for key positions in his administration. The choices reveal a deep lack of substance on the president-elect's part, he said.
"We have a new president who I find to be an absolute tabula rasa in terms of his knowledge of anything," he said, referring to Obama as a blank slate.
"Pay attention to what Obama says and you will find he hardly ever says anything of consequence."
Steinhardt also railed against Congress, where the quality of intellect "is not exactly awing."
"It seems to me that the intellectual level that we are surrounded with both in government and in the industry is exceptionally low at the moment, it makes me angry."
 
Take down the CEOs of every major bank and put their heads on poles in front of the NYSE. That should discourage them.

Have you heard the fast one AIG tried to pull the other day? They handed out "retention incentives" to the top 168 employees using bailout money. Not bonuses, but retention incentives. Because that's so different.
 
Rope, Tree, Politician, and CEO. Some assembly required.


There are some Politician that are just as responsible for what happened just as the CEOs. They forced many banks into lending folks that could afford the loans. Are CEOs to blame... yup. Just don't forget that some Politicians are also to blame for the Class A Cluster :cen:.
 
I can't believe that AIG had the nuts to try something like that. I swear these guys are just so arrogant beyond belief because they know they live in a nice society where people don't show up with guns and rope to get their money back. Perhaps there needs to be some sort of cleansing.
 
Rope, Tree, Politician, and CEO. Some assembly required.


There are some Politician that are just as responsible for what happened just as the CEOs. They forced many banks into lending folks that could afford the loans. Are CEOs to blame... yup. Just don't forget that some Politicians are also to blame for the Class A Cluster :cen:.

Barney Frank comes to mind. Him and his cronies have been saying all along that there is nothing wrong with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. It boggles my mind that these ignorant politicans,
1. Are re-elected
2. Are not held accountable when programs they are supposed to be over seeing fail to the magnitude that they have.
3. Are not held crimminaly liable for the bad decisions that they make.

I believe that 13th has it right. There DOES need to be some type of cleansing. I think my 10 year old can make better financial decisions than ALL of the CEO's at any of the corporations who might get bailed out.
 
I can't believe that AIG had the nuts to try something like that. I swear these guys are just so arrogant beyond belief because they know they live in a nice society where people don't show up with guns and rope to get their money back. Perhaps there needs to be some sort of cleansing.
No. The only major power ever to go through a cleansing of any kind was bombed to oblivion within 15 years of the process beginning. And I'd kind of like to live to see 30.

However, I feel that the bailout is still necessary. If the companies crash, that means that everyone else in the lower rungs loses their jobs and paychecks. The upper rungs? They're rich, they don't care if the company fails or not.
 
Right, so I'm proposing that the companies are saved but the higher ups are hung, drawn and quartered.

Agree. There seems to be a distinct LACK of accountability at the highest levels.

2 men stand on a golf course. A cellphone rings.
MAN1 (CEO1): Hello.
ACCOUNTANT: Sir, we completed our financials and we are going to have to file chapter 11.
CEO1: What? The company is in trouble and we have to file chapter 11?
ACCOUNTANT: Yes Sir.
CEO1: I was going to exercise my options and buy a boat. Guess I'll have to use my severance money instead.
CEO1 hangs up cellphone and turns to Man #2.
CEO1: Hey Bob, you still looking for a job?
CEO2: Yes.
CEO1: I can recomend you as my replacement.
 
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