The Vasque Country

[Corocotta]

The vasque society have always been intregreted in the society and developing of the spanish nation,may be not like others(cantabros and astures who almost disapeared fightinhg the romans and arabs), but they contrubuted and a lot, for example, many of the colonizators of America were Vasque.

The vasque nacionalism began with sabino arana in 1900 when he founded the PNV( Vasque Nacionalist Party).His ideology was based in two ideas:

-racism. the superiority of the vasque race.(sic)
-the right of vasque for independence due to their differential caracters
-own language

In the late 60s the terrorist group ETA( Euskadi ta Askatasuna) was creates to fight the repression of Franco(he forbiden the use of the vasque language),but science Spain is a democratic nation their fight have no sense. They have a Marxist-Lennist idealogy.
Science the 60s they have killed almost 1000 people:militar, policeman and civilians. As they say, the reason of thei´r fight is to liberate the vasque of the opression of the spanish and to create a socialist state called Eukal Herria. This country will also include a part of the south of France that they call Iparralde.

The realation betewen ETA and the PNV are well known.They have the same porpouse but different ways to reach it: the independance.
There have been also many relations beteween ETA and islamic terrorist. Actually ETA tried to use the same sistem as the terrorist of the 11-M did just a couple of months before, coincidence???
Never know.

 

[A Can of Man]

I guess that's more or less true.
I did a report on the Basques in high school.

By the way it's Basque in English. I believe Vasco in Spanish?

 

[Corocotta]

I guess that's more or less true.
I did a report on the Basques in high school.

By the way it's Basque in English. I believe Vasco in Spanish?

Yes, in spanish you say vasco, i do not know why in english is with "b"....... so what do you think of our problem??

 

[A Can of Man]

Well.. the Spanish V sounds pretty much like a B anyways.

As an outsider that never spent enough time in Spain or set foot in Basque country (Pays Vasco ) it's hard for me to suddenly draw lines. But I think it's right that they just stay with Spain. I think the majority of the Basques want to stay with Spain anyhow and it's not like the other regions of Spain are completely Castellano in terms of language or customs anyway. I know the Basques are even MORE different... heck their language doesn't even resemble the Indo-European language thing. The origins unsure etc.

Then again there are so many independence movements in Europe... like in Belgium, also with Catalunya in Spain itself again... also talks of northern Italy going its own way though that's less serious. I've spent time in Belgium and wrote a paper project on it in university but I never got that serious with the Basque situation... so again I can't REALLY say.

 

[Corocotta]

Actually in Spain we have many language and some dialects. In Spain there are this languages: Castellano,Catalán,Euskera y Gallego.
We also have this dialects:Bable,Valenciano y Mallorquín.

There are also independant movements in Galicia(north-west),Valencia and Baleares. If all this people get independent Spain will disapear...but it will never happen,I hope....
I think that nacionalism are very dangerous,we just have to look to europe´s recent past....

 

[Charge 7]

Well Spain's actions after the train bombing sure gave the Basques hope. You barter with terrorists and every terrorist is at your door.

 

[Corocotta]

Well Spain's actions after the train bombing sure gave the Basques hope. You barter with terrorists and every terrorist is at your door.

Actually science a year ago ETA has killed no body, probably because they did not have the ocasion, they are almost dead. Right now they are negociating with the state,confidentialy but they are. the elections are close(april) and their political party needs votes.....

 

[Charge 7]

And gee, a whole year...

 

[Corocotta]

And gee, a whole year...

It is something....I think that may be in a couple of years they will be completely extinguished.

 

[Charge 7]

Interesting double standard you have there. Okay for you to "extinguish" Basques but the US is wrong to seek to eliminate terrorists?

 

[Corocotta]

Interesting double standard you have there. Okay for you to "extinguish" Basques but the US is wrong to seek to eliminate terrorists?

Okey, I meant in jail, and i did not say vasques, I was talking about ETA, do not put words in my mouth that i didn´t say. And I am not talking about all tha vasques obviously, I am just talking about the ones that put a carbomb in a mall or the ones that put you a 9mm parabellum in the head. I have many vasque friends and not all of them support the criminals, it is just a minority.
By the way, for my it is fine that US seek and put in jail terrorist, I do not agree with torture.
I was talking about extinguing a terrorist organization, not an ethnical minoritie.....

 

[Charge 7]

How exactly am I putting "words into your mouth" by quoting what you, yourself posted for all to see?

 

[03USMC]

So it's perfectly acceptable to go after terrorists and the people who aid and support them, if they threaten your country huh Staurofilakes? Interesting concept. Where have I heard that before.

 

[Corocotta]

So it's perfectly acceptable to go after terrorists and the people who aid and support them, if they threaten your country huh Staurofilakes? Interesting concept. Where have I heard that before.

Ooopsss, i never said that !! I said that I do not agree with torture and certain methods that US is using In guantanamo, i also do not agree with certain cases of torture that hapened in Spain. The diference betewen you and me is that i acept that it hapened, and this way we can try a way to solve it and do no repeat it again.

I think that may be in a couple of years they will be completely extinguished.

you should read the each post in their context, this post was relationeted with the previous one and I was talking about ETA. Your only argument in this topic is perverting my words. I tought that you will have something better, I guess I was wrong[/quote]

 

[03USMC]

Extinguish seems pretty self explanitory too me.

 

[chewie_nz]

To put out (a fire, for example); quench.
To put an end to (hopes, for example); See Synonyms at abolish.
To obscure; eclipse.
Law.
To settle or discharge (a debt).
To nullify: extinguished their title to the property.
Psychology. To bring about the extinction of (a conditioned response).


debating the finer points of english with someone who is obviously not a native speaker of it is a bit rough don't you think?

 

[Charge 7]

debating the finer points of english with someone who is obviously not a native speaker of it is a bit rough don't you think?

So then we can assume that nothing he says means what he meant to say by inference from the above? Sorry, I'm with 03. "Extinguish" was pretty clear cut from his post.

 

[chewie_nz]

well put it this way....i didn't see anything wrong with his use of "extinguish" in this circumstance.

 

[Charge 7]

I didn't think there was anything wrong with it either other than it being obviously duplicitous. (i.e. "it's okay for us but not for you")

 

[chewie_nz]

Actually science a year ago ETA has killed no body, probably because they did not have the ocasion, they are almost dead. Right now they are negociating with the state,confidentialy but they are. the elections are close(april) and their political party needs votes.....

It is something....I think that may be in a couple of years they will be completely extinguished.

Interesting double standard you have there. Okay for you to "extinguish" Basques but the US is wrong to seek to eliminate terrorists?

Okey, I meant in jail, and i did not say vasques, I was talking about ETA, do not put words in my mouth that i didn´t say.

seems pretty clear to me that he was talking about ETA, rather than building gas chambers for all the basques