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Boots
 
November 30th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
This is history but do you actually think WW2 would have been won without lend lease to Britain and the USSR and 5 million US troops. Do you think the Iron curtain would have fallen without the US, or that Soviet expansionism would have been stopped.

If we are only talking about Germany–YES.
For United Kingdom it would have been a costly war and it would have been at the expense of allowing Japan to essentially dominate Asia and remove their colonial presence there. The Eastern front was a war of massive size and it was where Germany was beaten. And the Russians would have done so in any event, with or without lend lease.

The biggest US contribution was not the defeat of Germany because Germany was already well on its way to lose the war at the time of Normandy. I think the primary military US contribution to the war in Europe was helping in liberating Western Europe before Russia beat Germany and moved into Western Europe.

I donīt think there is any doubt that it was the Americans who was the key player in defeating the Japanese and thereby ended the Japanese occupation of East Asia and Southeast Asia.

Iīm convinced that the war in Europe was won on the Eastern front and the Cold War was won in Normandy.
November 30th, 2014  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
I disagree, without the lend lease the Soviets had faced problems with their supplies. The oil fields the Russians had to their disposal where not providing the Russians with the oil required for the military operations of this scale. To feed all the military personnel and the civilian workers would have been a huge problem too.

Britain had faced real problems without the lend lease, the supplies coming from Canada and the US needed to get to the British isles and these supplies had never reached GB without the lend lease.
November 30th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
Itīs a subject that we will never get a clear answer to.
Even historians today disagree.
Which version is accurate, is probably impossible to prove.
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Boots
December 1st, 2014  
tetvet
 
If you're quote makes any sense I don't know who too ? .
December 1st, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kesse81
Itīs a subject that we will never get a clear answer to.
Even historians today disagree.
Which version is accurate, is probably impossible to prove.
This is true. As some think that Britain could draw off just enough forces to allow the USSR to eventually win on the Ostheer.

Lend lease to the USSR began in the fall of 41. The USSR was still teetering in early 42, with huge losses at Rzhev. The huge Russian armies were made mobile to a great degree by the US 6 wheeler "trucks". Enormous food stocks were provided to both Britain and the USSR as well as jeeps, radios and other equipment. The US was the largest economic power of the war, untouchable by Germany "except by U-Boat".

This doesn't include the battlefield contributions of the US who generally fought along side Britain and the common wealth.

Of course the main thing is that the Nazi's were defeated. However it's correct to say the Soviet people suffered more than any other and that their sacrifices were exceptional. ~2/3's of all Germans that were killed in WW2 died fighting in the east front.
December 1st, 2014  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
In addition to the lend lease. The Russian production of equipment was delayed when they moved all the major industries from the European parts of Soviet Union to the Urals. To get these industries up and running again took awhile. A rather impressive move by the Ruskies
December 2nd, 2014  
Army0413
 
I3BrigPvSk//

A quiz.

Are youre a swedish communist?

Tell me the true.

Eastern raise with communist and swedish and finnish in Nordic are. No danish, no norweigan.

I liked other than communist in Sweden and Finland. Normalthink, facism, racism, nazi and gays.

Not best with communist I say.
December 2nd, 2014  
Army0413
 
It's many racism and normalthink in Finland then communist and nazi.

My voises blame me and I'm blame back. Just like Metallica songs.
December 2nd, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
In addition to the lend lease. The Russian production of equipment was delayed when they moved all the major industries from the European parts of Soviet Union to the Urals. To get these industries up and running again took awhile. A rather impressive move by the Ruskies
Good point. They didn't match Germany's output of war materials until some point in 43.
December 2nd, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Army0413
It's many racism and normalthink in Finland then communist and nazi.

My voises blame me and I'm blame back. Just like Metallica songs.
If your hearing voices you may require medication. This is likely a symptom of a nervous-mental ailment which would explain your countless nonsensical posting. There is no shame in admitting one requires help.
 


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