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View Poll Results :USSR v Western Allies circa 1945 - who would win and why?
USSR 12 46.15%
Western Allies 14 53.85%
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November 27th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by Aguy201
wait America didnt even have but like 3 atom bombs in 1945 right?
Essentially true, but the USA could have rapidly produced many, many more. Look at history, that's what they did isn't it?

If the scenario allows for the use of Atomic Bombs, its no more interesting than the Pre-WW2 USA vs USSR scenario. The deck is just too stacked when only one side has the Atomic Bomb.
November 27th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by NYC88mm
damien, look at an atlas, u'll see citites like novesbrisk, kzzushik, and others that have population mroe than a millon,. wonder why???
What was the point of that little statement?

We would not need to kill every single Russian living in Russia, for that matter millions would have recieved us as liberators, we would only have to destroy their ability to produce weapons, ammunition, and refined oil. It does not matter what their nationalistic feelings dictated, they can not fight a war without supplies.

The Western Allies had numbers, technology, and supplies on their side, the Soviets merely had their size, but that was a powerful weapon, however the Western Allies had tanks that were much better suited for the open plains of the Ukraine and Russia than the German tanks, which were much better tanks in the cities.

Why do you think Stalin was so mad at the western allies during the war? He had no idea how strong the German wolfpacks were in the Atlanitic and thought that Britian and the United States were holding back on giving Stalin Supplies.

Plus, the Pacific fleet was otherwise bogged down against Japan, once Japan was defeated they would be able to invade Russia in the east, and once they defeated the Soviet Forces their they would have a clear path to your precious Siberia and it's factories.

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Originally Posted by Dameon
So did the two japenese city's what America did however was send in like 20 Bombers and like 50 Escorts and came in so that thier would be so many thier was a strong chance they wouldn't hit the one that had the Big Boy in it.
Are you sure? I thought the B-29 could fly above the Japanese Flak and only one was sent.
November 27th, 2004  
Darcia
 
I had heard they used many bombers however I researched the topic and apperently they only used 1 each...wierd...
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November 27th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
There's much to be said for initiative. If the Soviets got their forces moving quickly into key locations before the United States, France and the UK were aware that the alliance honeymoon was over, then they could have wrought significant damage. By getting a solid invasion of Alaska and West Germany, they could have done well for themselves for a short while.

The Western Allies had tanks. They definitely weren't better than German tanks on average, but they had greately improved in their designs by 1945. Russia had lots of tanks, and their tank designs were superior to the USA and UK. The biggest problem for the USSR on the battlefield? The largest combat aircraft force in human history, the USAF of 1945. Huge Tank advantage vs Huge Aircraft advantage. Could have been quite interesting.
November 27th, 2004  
Darcia
 
The USAF at the end of WW2 was and still is the largest airforce EVER! Some estimates have put it at 17,000 Aircraft.
November 27th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Errr, no. Aproximately 75,000 combat aircraft. That includes bombers and the like.
November 27th, 2004  
Darcia
 
It realy depends on who your asking on the sizes of these things For all we know all of these numbers could have been blown way up. However I can't find any good info on the Different sizes on WW2 armies, just getting differnt Divisions Numbers.
November 27th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
I did a lotta digging. I remembered Guiness put it at 69,000 combat aircraft and I found a few sites that put it at 75,000 combat aircraft.

Russia had the same sort of thing, only in tanks. They had at least 30,000 but I think it was closer to 50,000.
November 27th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
Remember some points guys:

1. Would the USAAF have been able to drop any atomic weapons in May/June 1945?

2. The Red Army had a BIG advantage in tanks, artillery and troops, plus a big swelling momentum pushing West.

3. The average US/UK soldier was better trained than his Soviet counterpart but as the Germans found the individual Russian soldier was extremely tough and by 1945, battle hardened in the fires of the Ostfront.

4. The Soviet Air force known as the Voenno-Vozdushniye Sily (VVS) in 1945 was much stronger than the Luftwaffe that faced the Allies was. Most people seem to forget that the USSR produced a total of 139,748 aircraft throughout WW2. That compares well with the US total of 160,070 for example.
November 27th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Remember some points guys:

1. Would the USAAF have been able to drop any atomic weapons in May/June 1945?
Yes, I believe we had one already on hand while others were in the making.

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2. The Red Army had a BIG advantage in tanks, artillery and troops, plus a big swelling momentum pushing West.
I believe the allies had just as much momentum, after D-day Hitler kept taking troops, tanks, and supplies off the Eastern Front to fight the Allies in the west, his reasoning? It was 2,000 miles to the Eastern Front and only 500 Miles to the Western Front, he would survive longer by fighting harder agaisnt the Allies.

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3. The average US/UK soldier was better trained than his Soviet counterpart but as the Germans found the individual Russian soldier was extremely tough and by 1945, battle hardened in the fires of the Ostfront.
Yes, but the Allied soldiers were also battle hardened.

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4. The Soviet Air force known as the Voenno-Vozdushniye Sily (VVS) in 1945 was much stronger than the Luftwaffe that faced the Allies was. Most people seem to forget that the USSR produced a total of 139,748 aircraft throughout WW2. That compares well with the US total of 160,070 for example.
But the American Planes were far superior to the Russian planes, our fighters were the fastest piston-powered aircraft in the world.