USSR v Western Allies circa 1945 - who would win and why? - Page 17




View Poll Results :USSR v Western Allies circa 1945 - who would win and why?
USSR 12 46.15%
Western Allies 14 53.85%
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December 21st, 2004  
airmanpatroler
 
 
dont forget also later in the war germany was turning to the hitler youth and prisoners as well as old men to fight.
December 22nd, 2004  
lght1
 
Hi


The POW's that are in question, are the ones already guests of the Allies.

They, unlike their countrymen in Soviet captivity, would be well cared for even perhaps, then they were before their capture.
December 22nd, 2004  
Darcia
 
Unless Russia possed a threat to thier homeland the POWS would not fuight with the people who just defeated them. Even if Russia did pose a threat they may want to sea the people who destroyed them destroyed.
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December 22nd, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The only advantage the USSR would have in that department -- they would be capable of denying access to some of the best Germany had to offer. Yes, the German people had had enough of war. So had the people of the USSR. But in this hypothetical situation, the front line begins in the middle of Germany -- its only natural that they German people would get involved.

Guderian alone would be a tremendous asset for the West -- IF they managed to think to ask for his help.
December 22nd, 2004  
Darcia
 
They would probably take the Good people from Germany and put them to work for themselves.
March 26th, 2014  
JOC
 
 

Topic: The USA would have Won Hands Down.


I believe the USA would have easily beat Stalinist Russia.1st we would have targeted the head Stalin, Beria, Top Generals and such with an atomic strike don’t under estimate are intelligence we wouldn’t have to be that exact.
Then we would have easily established a long no mans line from the Baltic to the Balkans with Atomic strikes (perhaps even using artery scheels. This would make it impossible for either side to cross over without severe radiation issues. This no manes land would last quite a while and a few Russians did slip through our airpower would make quick work of them. This would immobilize their large army.
March 27th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
The lack of material to make enough atomic bombs who have probably put paid to that idea.

By 1945 the Soviet Army was a powerful and professional machine and the Soviet Air force was not far behind, I also think logistics would have hindered the allies more than the Russians.
March 27th, 2014  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
The lack of material to make enough atomic bombs who have probably put paid to that idea.

By 1945 the Soviet Army was a powerful and professional machine and the Soviet Air force was not far behind, I also think logistics would have hindered the allies more than the Russians.
On top of that Stalin didn't give a toss about casualties.
March 27th, 2014  
brinktk
 
 
I'm curious how willing the average Russian soldier would have been fighting a war against the Western Allies? I don't think it would be a war of annihilation like it was between them and Germany...

On the other hand, if the Russians attacked the West, I'm sure the propaganda machines in place at the time would paint them much like the "dastardly" Japanese were after Pearl Harbor...

I think the Allied air forces would eventually gain superiority and then all those logistics convoys would be sitting ducks for the air forces to mop up. The Russians had better armor and much more of it...but it doesn't do a whole lot of good if they can't get fuel or ammo. This would probably allow the spearhead Russian divisions that would have likely made quite a lot of progress West at that point to be isolated and then defeated. Plus, there's quite a lot of areas that the allies could have attacked into Russia (even if it was just harassing) that would have forced the Russians to commit a large portion of their military to protect their Southern and Eastern borders. I'm not so sure the Russian logistics capability could have kept up with the requirements an endeavor like this would take for more than a few months.

In the end I think a compromised peace would be made and both sides would have likely ended up at the most where they stood in 1941 and at least where they did in 1945.
March 27th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Why was tanks mentioned The USA provided nil to the USSR as far as tanks goes? We feed half of them and without our trucks, radios and jeeps they would have never had the mobility to respond to Germany after Stalingrad. People say that yes with their immense manpower and untouchable tank and munitions factories they would have eventually defeated Germany. However letís remember > 90% of the Luftwaffe was sent west to defend Germany against the massive allied air armadas. In fact itís quite amazing how Germanyís production remained as high as it did considering the constant bombarding they underwent.
Also yes somewhere between 60 to 70 % of the Germans died on the eastern front. However if the allies didnít siphon off that 30 to 40% and with the full strength of their Luftwaffe (which likely would have included many jets) the Soviets would have been hard pressed for a victory. Remember that Kursk was not as 1 sided as some make it to be. Manstein was only stopped by last ditch efforts using up all there reserves (which Zhukov didnít plan on using for the Kursk conflict.) and with terrible losses of both man and equipment. As you can tell I believe it took a combined effort of both the USSR and the Western Allies to crush Germany.
A parting note given 6 more months and Germany would have atomic bombs (a little know secret was that they exploded a tiny nuclear device during the closing months of the war). Well Iím getting writers cramp farewell. This in itself likely wouldnít have turned the tide being that it would have been used as a terror weapon. But without Allies they would have gotten it sooner and used it on the USSR.