Originally Posted by 3dgeo

where IDF Brig.General Aryeh Biro has admitted that execution of Egyptian POW's took place. One motive to cover up war crimes.

IDF Brig.General Aryeh Biro took part in the 1956 war,not 1967 war.

Originally Posted by greg2k

IDF Brig.General Aryeh Biro took part in the 1956 war,not 1967 war.

As stated before Biro admitted that executions of POW's was not discouraged or punished in IDF.He said there were many bloody hands in IDF.
He was involved in 1956 executions of Egyptian POW's.
Ben Eliezar in 1967.
Ground commanders,Eitan,1956,Yahron,Dori in Lebanon in 1980's and list goes on....
Killing unarmed POW's is a war crime.

www.zundelsite.org/old_zundelsite/.../080515_Israels_hush_up.php

www.washington-report.org/backissues/0296/9602017.html

Originally Posted by greg2k

So we have a new question on USS Liberty? Looks like 3dgeo put new point of egyptian POW's during 1967 war in his Post #213. OK... it is a new revelation about massacre of egyptian soldiers...in 1956 and 1967 wars.Well what should we do....where to start...Well lets do this thing,what happened or not happened in 1956 war lets leave it for another forum,it doesn't belongs to USS Liberty case.
Now.....aah I recalled something,didn't I mention already somewhere Mr Bamford? wait a sec.... here he is in my post #91
Right it's him and his book is also there.The only problem is I made error,I said his book "Dead in the water",but actually the book name was "Body of Secrets : Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency" (April 24, 2001),and "Dead in the water" was a BBC TV documentary (21 August 2004),which mentioned his book.OK,so far so good,lets proceed.
First of all lets see who Mr Bamford is...ok the internet is saying till recently he was a Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News.OK.
So at this moment we can already say this,whatever he was saying about USS Liberty he was not eyewitness to the event,right? Yes he was a reporter not a sailor.OK.
Lets see what he said in his book: http://hnn.us/articles/191.html

'As the Liberty sat within eyeshot of El Arish, eavesdropping on surrounding communications, Israeli soldiers turned the town into a slaughterhouse, systematically butchering their prisoners. An eyewitness recounted how in the shadow of the El Arish mosque, they lined up about 60 unarmed Egyptian prisoners, hands tied behind their backs, and then opened fire with machine guns until the pale desert sand turned red.
This and other war crimes were just some of the secrets Israel had sought to conceal since the start of the conflict".

OK pay attention....in the shadow of the Mosque.....nice.So lets say you stay some half a mile from this place would you be able to see clearly what was going there in the shadow?...well.... and the USS Liberty was....14 miles from there...well.OK.
So Bamford was mentioning only 60 prisoners...,lets look on another website,very famous 'jew-loving' site: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrociti...erty.html,what they say,we all are curious ,aren't we?

"Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he witnessedIsraeli troopsexecuting Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinaitown of El Arish.
Bron reported that he saw about 150 Egyptian POWs being held at the ElArish airport wherethey were sitting on the ground, densely crowded together with their handsheld on the back oftheir necks. Every few minutes, Bron writes, Israeli soldiers would escortan Egyptian POW fromthe group to a hearing conducted by two men in Israeli army uniforms. Thenthe man would betaken away, given a spade, and forced to dig his own grave.
"I watched as (one) man dug a hole for about 15 minutes," Bronwrote. "Afterwards, the (Israelimilitary) policeman told him to throw the shovel away, and then one of themleveled an Uzi at himand shot two short bursts, each of three or four bullets."
Bron says he witnessed about ten such executions, until the grave wasfilled. Then an IsraeliColonel threatened him with a revolver, forcing him to leave the area".

Well,....the prisoners were diging even their own graves...and their number already incresed to 150. OK,so far so good.... We are getting closer to somewhere... Continue.next post

Bamford Not an eyewitness,fine.
His revelation that recently declassified NSA info. that a EC-121 spy plane flying high above Liberty with Hebrew linguists on board recorded IAF attacking planes IDENTIFYING Liberty as flying American flag and ordered by ground controlers to proceed with attack anyway is not relevant?????

OK,If you want eyewitnesses my friend ask Liberty's survivors.
www.ussliberty.org.
They have been savaged for 40 years by the Israel apologist crowd,
for daring to recount what they saw.
The slaughter of their crewmates by Israeli forces.

Originally Posted by 3dgeo

Bamford Not an eyewitness,fine.
His revelation that recently declassified NSA info. that a EC-121 spy plane flying high above Liberty with Hebrew linguists on board recorded IAF attacking planes IDENTIFYING Liberty as flying American flag and ordered by ground controlers to proceed with attack anyway is not relevant?????

OK,If you want eyewitnesses my friend ask Liberty's survivors.
www.ussliberty.org.
They have been savaged for 40 years by the Israel apologist crowd,
for daring to recount what they saw.
The slaughter of their crewmates by Israeli forces.

IT is very clear that you are not familiar with USS Liberty incident.Yes EC-121 plane was sent in the vicinity of USS Liberty,and started recording already after the attack by israeli torpedo boats took place.The actual record of ES-121 was released by NSA in 2003.The record was between pilots of two israeli helicopters,which were sent to investigate the situation and israeli headqwarter air base.This tape is available now.You yourself can read it and even paste the translation from hebrew here if you want.

Originally Posted by greg2k

IT is very clear that you are not familiar with USS Liberty incident.Yes EC-121 plane was sent in the vicinity of USS Liberty,and started recording already after the attack by israeli torpedo boats took place.The actual record of ES-121 was released by NSA in 2003.The record was between pilots of two israeli helicopters,which were sent to investigate the situation and israeli headqwarter air base.This tape is available now.You yourself can read it and even paste the translation from hebrew here if you want.

Not familiar? Hmm!! ok,
The helicopter tapes are a sham with many blank sections(see Israel manipulations)Israeli submissions with questionable authenticity at best.
Came out with the Cristol farce of a book to absolve
Israeli slaughter of 34 US seamen.
If you say that the EC-121 was over the attack after the fact then you either have not read Bamford's book or you
are using the disinformation tactic like Judge Cristol.
One of the American Hebrew linguists onboard the EC-21 has come forth!! Overheard IAF piolts ID American flag on Liberty.
It was a clear day friend.Israel flew hours of reconaissance over liberty prior to attack.

It was murder on the high seas!

I have asked Jim Ennes,Jr,USN Ret. if he could look in on this discussion.We will see if he does.If not he has written a full accountof the attack(Assault on the Liberty,Reintree Press) and has published many articles.
Ennes was officer on deck during Israeli attack.Wounded and recepeint of Purple heart.AN EYEWITNESS as you say!
Maybe you can bring some some of the Israeli crew of MTB-203.That was the Israeli boat that caused most damgge to Liberty.The Israeli government awarded them medals.There's
The Israeli tropedo boats machinegunned Liberty's liferafts in the water! There's a shot up Liberty liferaft in one of their maritime museums.Ask the American witnesses.....

It took days to recover the grissly body parts of the dead out of Liberty's hull in Malta.The unarmed ship would not go down due to the courage of her Defiant skipper,Capt.McGonagle and her brave crew.
Israeli attackers used enough fire power to sink an aircraft carrier.Their claim: They thought they were attacking a sixty year old Egyptian horse carrier,El Quesir???
Who buys this bull??

Visit and support the American survivors
www.ussliberty.org

Originally Posted by greg2k

IT is very clear that you are not familiar with USS Liberty incident.Yes EC-121 plane was sent in the vicinity of USS Liberty,and started recording already after the attack by israeli torpedo boats took place.The actual record of ES-121 was released by NSA in 2003.The record was between pilots of two israeli helicopters,which were sent to investigate the situation and israeli headqwarter air base.This tape is available now.You yourself can read it and even paste the translation from hebrew here if you want.

The helicopter tapes are a sham with many blank sections(see Israel manipulations)
Came out the Cristol farce of a book to absolve Israeli slaughter of 34 US seamen.
If you say that the EC-121 was over the attack after the fact then you're either have not read Bamford book or you
are using the disinformation tactic like Judge Cristol.
The Hebrew linguists have come forth!!
I have asked Jim Ennes,Jr,USN Ret. if he could look in on this discussion.
Ennes was officer on deck during Israeli attack.Wounded and receipernt of Purple heart.AN EYEWITNESS as you say!We will see.If not he has written a full account and has published many articles.
Maybe you can bring some some of the Israeli crew of MTB-203.That was the Israeli boat that caused most damge to Liberty.The Israeli government awarded them medals.The Israel tropedo boats machinegunnd Liberty's liferafts in the water! Ask the American witnesses.
It took days to recover the grissly body parts of the dead out of Liberty's hull in Malta.The unarmed ship would not go down due to the courage of her Defiant skipper,Capt.McGonagle and her brave crew.
Israeli attackers used enough fire power to sink an aircraft carrier.Their claim: They thought they were attacking a sixty year old Egyptian horse carrier,El Quesir???
Who buys this bull??

Visit and support the American survivors
www.ussliberty.org

Originally Posted by 3dgeo

The helicopter tapes are a sham with many blank sections(see Israel manipulations)
Came out the Cristol farce of a book to absolve Israeli slaughter of 34 US seamen.
If you say that the EC-121 was over the attack after the fact then you're either have not read Bamford book or you
are using the disinformation tactic like Judge Cristol.
The Hebrew linguists have come forth!!

I asked you to put here recordings from american plane not recording submitted by Israel.I did not read Bamford book as well as Ennes book.....so....Did not we agree already that Bamford was not an eyewitness? I would suggest you to take some leisure time and to read this forum from the beginnig,because i was here already quite time and had put a lot of material.I never did claim here that i am the only correct person,i just put some material to think and everybody can make their own decisions.It is difficult to start all over again and again if some points were discussed already earlier in this Forum.So the tapes with recording of american plane were cruicial to the case.Paste the translation of recordings here.

Originally Posted by greg2k

I asked you to put here recordings from american plane not recording of israeli pilots.I did not read Bamford book as well as Ennes book.....so....Did not we agree already that Bamford was not an eyewitness? I would suggest you to take some leisure time and to read this forum from the beginnig,because i was here already quite time and had put a lot of material.I never did claim here that i am the only correct person,i just put some material to think and everybody can make their own decisions.It is difficult to start all over again and again if some points were discussed already earlier in this Forum.So the tapes with recording of american plane were cruicial to the case.Paste the translation of recordings here.

Yes the Israeli tapes/translations do not hold water,my friend.
They reveal what the Israelis think will stenghthen
their bogus claim.
You want to take them at face value then do so.
Want to ignore the blank parts of the tapes then do so.
Bamford states EC-121 US Hebrew Linguists high overhead,at time of attack,recorded IAF pilots Identifying an American flag on Liberty,and were ordered by ground controllers to proceed with assault on the unarmed American ship regardless.This,declassified recently.How much more clearer than that ??
But you did not read the book!
In that you have not read any American accounts(Bamford,Ennes,and Scott)
Then it's safe to assume that The Israeli account(s) are what you are going by and accepting,hook,line,and sinker.
You accept the Israel fabrications at face value and practices of disinformation for people that have little background on the matter,methinks.
Suggest other folks who are not being Israel conned here to visit Liberty survivors site:
www.ussliberty.org

Smaller of two vessels below in thumbnail is Israeli claim what they "mistook" Liberty for ?
2:1 SIZE RATIO,
Turn of last century Egyptian horse transports were never equiped with oversize Radar dish!!! Man O'Man

Originally Posted by 3dgeo

Yes the Israeli tapes/translations do not hold water,my friend.
They reveal what the Israelis think will stenghthen their claim.
You want to take them at face value then do so.
Want to ignore the blank parts of the tapes then do so.
Bamford states EC-121 Hebrew Linguists over liberty,at time of attack,recorded IAF pilots Identifying an American flag on Liberty,and were ordered by ground controllers to proceed with attack.Declassified recently.How much more clearer than that ?? But you did not read the book!

At this point i have to ask you how old are you?At least to know whom i am speaking to......I am 56 years old.The reason i am asking you this ...maybe private information,because......well you repeated in two postings the same thing....Israeli tapes are a shame.....Well...look,do you understand what i am asking you to do? I am very nice to you...,I am asking you to paste here AMERICAN TAPES,AMERICAN TAPES...you see,not israeli tapes with blank spots!!!!!! The reason i am asking you to paste here AMERICAN TAPES is because.....Mr Bamford claims in his book something.....recorded not on Israeli tapes but on AMERICAN TAPES,recorded by American plane,not Israeli plane.....And that what i am nicely asking you to paste here,right? right!!!!!! So in order to know what Mr Bamford claims we have to know what AMERICAN PLANE EC-121 was recording when it was there.Right?...Right....So go ahead and paste these tapes here....

Originally Posted by EladBell

not only that'they also put them in camps and killed thier childrfenb with gas'then burned thier corpses.
jee 23 years before the allies destroyed entire countries and killed thousends of innocent people.
but ofcpurse if u can blame the minority that lives on the plane desert then why not?

So your point is that we should not discuss the case of deliberate murder of American sailors by the Jewish military because 23 years before other people did worse?

Google an online vocabulary and find the phrase "hypocrit".

@Greg2k

What interest would Americans who are pro-Israeli to an extent of endagering their own national interest have in forging these tapes?

Of course we wont quote Israelis because they kept lying and would refuse as much as pay compensation, why wouldnt they compensate for people they murdered? If there's any more proof of dishonesty on Israeli side i dont know what could it be.