USS Liberty - Israel's "War of Self Defense" - Page 11




 
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October 21st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
There are more than enough inconsistencies in the Israeli story to keep every conspiracy theorist in credible material for a long long time.

Also enough evidence to satisfy most people with an enquiring mind, that everything is not as rosy as it is painted.

I have little doubt that it was deliberate, but as to why,.... Well, you'll have to find an Israeli who is willing to tell the truth of the matter. Good Luck.

My personal theory is that the Israelis hoped, that being virtually an unarmed vessel, they could sink it very quickly and blame the Egyptians, thereby dragging the US into actively fighting the war on their side.
October 21st, 2009  
greg2k
 
 
So good luck to the survivors of USS Liberty,if they still can bring anything new,they can do what they want.
In May 1968, Israel paid US$3,323,500 as full payment on behalf of the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969 Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980 Israel agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the US claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the Liberty itself.[3]
On December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by the two governments through an exchange of diplomatic notes
October 21st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by greg2k
So good luck to the survivors of USS Liberty,if they still can bring anything new,they can do what they want.
It's not hard to see what your agenda is here, is it? Hardly what I would expect to hear from a genuine US citizen. A typical Israeli viewpoint, where they only respect the USA so long as they are of use to them, this arrogant disregard for the US was also seen in the recent affair where the Israelis were asked to stop illegal settlers occupying Palestinian land.

Another good reason why the US should cut Israel loose.
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October 21st, 2009  
greg2k
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
It's not hard to see what your agenda is here, is it? Hardly what I would expect to hear from a genuine US citizen.
I dont understand what you mean.I simply said good luck to the survivors if they can bring anything new.Are you a supporter of survivors claims? Do you have any new evidence to the case? If yes,bring it here ,and we will discuss it.
October 21st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by greg2k
I dont understand what you mean.I simply said good luck to the survivors if they can bring anything new.Are you a supporter of survivors claims? Do you have any new evidence to the case? If yes,bring it here ,and we will discuss it.
I have already stated my views, and for me the argument is solved. We already know what probably happened.

Your views in my mind are at least highly disrespectful of the dead, and at worst treasonous Israeli propaganda, and I'm neither a US citizen nor an admirer of many US policies.
October 21st, 2009  
greg2k
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
I have already stated my views, and for me the argument is solved. We already know what probably happened.

Your views in my mind are at least highly disrespectful of the dead, and at worst treasonous Israeli propaganda, and I'm neither a US citizen nor an admirer of many US policies.
So in this case we can say there is no new evidence to the case.And yes I am US citizen and you accusing me of what?Treazon?You telling me you know my agenda? Does this forum has a special agenda that all of us must follow and support?And if you dont like my views so it means you have your views and your agenda right?And you are saying you are not admirer of many US policies and still I dont accuss you in anything wrong.Please dont lower the duscussion of issues and bring it on the personal level.
October 21st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by greg2k
Please dont lower the duscussion of issues and bring it on the personal level.
And why not? It's all some idiots can understand.

Read Post 101, end of story.
October 21st, 2009  
greg2k
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
There are more than enough inconsistencies in the Israeli story to keep every conspiracy theorist in credible material for a long long time.

Also enough evidence to satisfy most people with an enquiring mind, that everything is not as rosy as it is painted.

I have little doubt that it was deliberate, but as to why,.... Well, you'll have to find an Israeli who is willing to tell the truth of the matter. Good Luck.

My personal theory is that the Israelis hoped, that being virtually an unarmed vessel, they could sink it very quickly and blame the Egyptians, thereby dragging the US into actively fighting the war on their side.
Lets say the attack was deliberate to sink the ship.The question is what prevented israelis to finish the job?They did not have weapons?No they have enough air power to attack Syria on the next day.Maybe they did not have enough time? If we start to count hous from 6 AM to lets say 4 pm we will have 10 hours in their possesion to sink the ship.Maybe israelis did not have enough torpedos?No they have 3 motor boats with 6 torpedoes on each and they used only 5,right? So they still had 13 left unused.So what did not let Israel to put the USS Liberty to the bottom of the sea? Israelis could not sink WWII in 2 hours?Maybe you know why?And why Japan in attack on Pearl Harbor with old weaponry in 90 minuts managed to deliver such a tremendous damage to US armored fleet and Israel with new weaponry could not sink a single unarmored ship in 2 hours? I think you know,so tell me why?You are telling about inconsistencies in Israeli story.......let me tell you about one inconsistency......Jim Enness in his book 'Attack on Liberty' was telling about unidentified planes attacking USS Liberty, and look here what another survivor is saying: http://www.chicagotribune.com/servic...,0,43090.story 'Then the jets started shooting at the officers and enlisted men stretched out on the deck for a lunch-hour sun bath. Theodore Arfsten, a quartermaster, remembered watching a Jewish officer cry when he saw the blue Star of David on the planes' fuselages. At first, crew members below decks had no idea whose planes were shooting at their ship 'So now I want to ask you a question. Who is lying?Jim Enness or Theodore Arfsten together with jewish officer on the ship ,who saw Star of David on attacking airplanes?Do you know who was the jewish officer on USS Liberty who was crying? And why Lt Jim Ennes who intentionaly said that israeli attacking planes where without any markings, on the cover of his book 'Assalt on Liberty' put Star of David on the jetswings? Do you know why?Can you tell me the jets which attacked USS Liberty June 8 at 2 PM were marked or unmarked?
October 21st, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
Ok a couple of things...
1) Please space out your sentences more it is really hard to read half a dozen paragraphs as one long sentence.

2) I would suggest that the second the order to attack the vessel was given their aim was to sink it, I don't imagine for a second the orders read "take off and drop just enough ordinance to kill a few people but not enough to sink the ship".

You also overlooked one other possible scenario, the Israelis just weren't good enough to sink the vessel before it could alert the outside world.

As for the rest I am not sure I understand your point about crying jewish officers etc.
October 21st, 2009  
greg2k
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I would suggest that the second the order to attack the vessel was given their aim was to sink it, I don't imagine for a second the orders read "take off and drop just enough ordinance to kill a few people but not enough to sink the ship".

You also overlooked one other possible scenario, the Israelis just weren't good enough to sink the vessel before it could alert the outside world.

As for the rest I am not sure I understand your point about crying jewish officers etc.
The order usually is permission to attack,which basically means in the time of war -'attack to kill'.Israelis sent 5 torpedoes to sink the ship it is clear.With one torpedo hit,the ship miracuously was still afloat.Captain McGonagle realized that the ship was not sinking, but was worring about possible another torpedo attack.He knew that one more torpedo hit would be the end to the ship.So why israelis did not sent another torpedo toward the ship? Do you know?It should be a reason why they did not do this. USS Liberty was sending messages to 6 th fleet open text,israelis by all means were reading them.From Liberty messages we know that they did not know the identity of attacking planes and motor boats.The very first message that israeli helicopters were involed was received at 4.12 PM --------------------------------
1412Z 08 June 1967 transmitted message text from
Naval Communications Station, Morocco to
Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces Europe

C O N F I D E N T I A L
1. USS LIBERTY UNABLE TO IDENTIFY ATTACKING BOATS
RIOUSEEEEEEEEEE BOATS AFTER ATTACK HELICOPTER CIRCLED THE SHIP
BELIEVED TO BE ISRAELIE.
BT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From the time of this message we can figure out that israelis had full 2 hours to sink the ship,but according to the text of Naval Court of Inquiry after the torpedo hit the ship there was no shouting.So why there was no shooting after torpedo hit at 2.34 PM till 4.12 PM the time of the message?It should be a reason why.------------------------------------ P.S. Text of the message is exactly as recorded.